Topic: Defensive pistol rounds

[carharttfarmer]

.45 ACP:
185gr Remington Golder Saber +P
They seemed to have the best expansion, velocity, and mass retention of all the tests I read.  They shoot great and feed great.

thats the plus p i went off of

[NoviceHunter]

I was just clarifying how his numbers did actually add up for what he stated (45 +p).

Personally, I'm a big fan of "over" penetration, so it's not 185's for me unless they're Barnes bullets.

[Nealio]

was playing with a ft lbs. calullater today and a 45 185gr at1000fps is only 411ft lbs

I compare all rounds with the velocities and energies given for a 5" barrel so you can compare apples to apples

[carharttfarmer]

Why bother?  Because you can get better combination of energy and expansion from a 185gr .45 ACP +P defensive round than you can in:

9mm
.357 Sig
.357 Mag
10mm
.40 S&W

Show me a round that has better numbers than this:

500 ft-lb of energy
.75" diameter after expansion
100% weight retention (in a published test)

... that I can shoot in a compact auto.  And I'll be heading to the store to get it....


The only reason I would choose something over the .45 ACP +P for a manstopper would be if you need to shoot through heavy clothing, windshields, light cover, etc. In that case I would choose the 10mm.

357 SIG 125 gr. Ranger 500ft lbs .75 expansion  havent found a published weight retion yet but ill keep looking

[Nealio]

357 SIG 125 gr. Ranger 500ft lbs .75 expansion  havent found a published weight retion yet but ill keep looking

Not bad, got any penetration numbers?

[carharttfarmer]

ill get some looked up when i get out of the tractor
also congrats on the fn slp listed in your sig when u take up 3gun youll be happy with it

[carharttfarmer]

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:xc105UkoUgQJ:le.atk.com/pdf/Butte_WBW_5_27_09.pdf+357+sig+125+gr.+ranger+retained+weight&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


police text on the sig also some good 40 45 info

[BerettaColtFan]

Another gold dot user

45acp 200 gr. +p Gold Dot

9mm 124 gr +p Gold Dots.

[Shortmag]

147gr. Gold Dots in the G19 - carry
124gr. Hydra-shocks in the PM9 - carry
230gr. Remington HPs in the G21 - Home Defense

SM