Topic: 1.30.10 3 gun match

[tgibson]

OK.  This is the official thread for this months match.  If you want details on all the rest of the matches, check out the other thread in the "Events" forum here http://www.boiseshooters.com/index.php/topic,8246.0.html
I wanted to start this one so we could discuss specific events that pertained to this match.  I'll have course descriptions and diagrams no later than Thursday night.
I am getting help on one of the stages, but so far here is waht I have for a round count:
Rifle 60
Pistol 49
Shotgun 32
The stage I'm getting help with is going to be a pistol/shotgun stage so I expect those to go up to about 75 for the pistol and 45 for the shotgun....again, just guessing.
There will be two 6" rifle targets at 100y, two 10" rifle targets at 200y, and two full sized silouhetts at 300y.  The targets at 300y will have an 8" center chest hole that will be a 5 second bonus per hit.  I'll explain the rules more at the shooters meeting the day of the match.  Here is a basic breakdown which I will post in the other thread as well:

Long range rifle targets must move/activate to score.  We'll have a spotting scope to call hits.  Failure to hit these targets is a 10 second penalty.
Paper targets must have one "A" or any two hits to be considered neutralized.  One hit that is not an A will be a 5 second penalty.  No hits on a target will be a 10 second penalty. 
Hits on a no shoot target is a 10 second penalty.
Steel targets shot with pistol or shotgun must fall to score.  Failure to do so will result in a 10 second penalty.
Clay targets must have at least one BB hole to be considered a hit.  Failure to do so will result in a 10 second penalty.

As far as equipment goes, here is a quick breakdown on that:

Scoped Tactical division:
Iron sights on pistol and shotgun.  No speed loaders or magazines for shotguns.  Rifle can have one sighting system with glass in it.

Tactical division:
Iron sights on all guns.  No speed loaders or magazines on shotguns.

Open division:
Whatever you want.  .30 cal rifle and smaller.

Let the questions fly!!!
Adios,
TG

[luvmy45]

During the COF how much reloading will be required?

ie... rifle is easy couple of 30 round mags and good to go right?
How about pistol? Need 20 rounds for a single COF?
and Shotgun? 10 to 20 rounds per COF?

Of course all is dependant upon how accurate you are, but in general. Trying to figure out if I want the 9mm with higher cap mags and fewer reloads, or the .45 with I'm more accurate with but need more mags for reloads.

Thanks!

[mopeman440]

So no Saiga 12? No red dots for tactical division, or no magnification?

[luvmy45]

If you have a Saiga, your in Open no matter what your other equipment is.

It's always fun watching the jam-o-matics

[romo23]

so first timer here, again, do we only get that many rounds and we hit targets till we run out of ammo or finish the course, or do we keep shooting till we finish the course (for us less accurate bring more rounds)?

thanks for all the help answering questions!!

[zona5101]

so first timer here, again, do we only get that many rounds and we hit targets till we run out of ammo or finish the course, or do we keep shooting till we finish the course (for us less accurate bring more rounds)?

thanks for all the help answering questions!!

round count is minimum...the course is designed so if you didn't miss you would shoot that number of rounds. So if you are like the rest of us, you'll be shooting more:)
 At some point you may decide the penalty seconds for the miss are less than the time it would take you to hit the target. Its up to you (and sometimes the SO will prod you along and tell you) to skip the target and take the penalty when you're struggling too long one one target task.

[mopeman440]

If you have a Saiga, your in Open no matter what your other equipment is.

It's always fun watching the jam-o-matics

So I'll be a beginner in open class...makes no sense. What jam-o-matic are you talking about? What about the red dots?

[neby98]

Not to badger you guys with questions, but I'm really excited to try this out for the first time. I have a 18inch pump, and a 26inch rem 1100 semi. Which would you folks recommend me using?

[carharttfarmer]

So I'll be a beginner in open class...makes no sense. What jam-o-matic are you talking about? What about the red dots?

once your in open anything goes dots scopes

[mopeman440]

Is a red dot considered a scope? 

[luvmy45]

So I'll be a beginner in open class...makes no sense. What jam-o-matic are you talking about? What about the red dots?

Why does open class make no sense? Not sure I follow you there. 

Red dots are glassed optics.

If you have a saiga that can shoot more than 1 round at a time, it would be good to know what you did to get it to that point. Personally, I haven't seen a reliable saiga that hasn't had to have as much gunsmith work done to it than it cost to begin with run at all.

[zona5101]

IIRC Mope's Saiga ran fine at the patrol shoot. Or if he had problems I didn't notice.

[zona5101]

Not to badger you guys with questions, but I'm really excited to try this out for the first time. I have a 18inch pump, and a 26inch rem 1100 semi. Which would you folks recommend me using?

You would be fine with either...i'd bring the one that holds more in the magazine tube...if they're the same then bring the semi.

[zona5101]

So I'll be a beginner in open class...makes no sense.

so the mag on the shotgun throws you into open class...so be sure and put a scope on your rifle. might as well take as much advantage in the class as possible....put one on the shotgun too if you have one...

[mopeman440]

Why does open class make no sense? Not sure I follow you there.  

Red dots are glassed optics.

If you have a saiga that can shoot more than 1 round at a time, it would be good to know what you did to get it to that point. Personally, I haven't seen a reliable saiga that hasn't had to have as much gunsmith work done to it than it cost to begin with run at all.

It makes no sense because at the NYD shoot there were no classes except for the skill level. It seems to be in the open class a person has been progressing and shooting 3-gun for a while, with all the accessories to go along with it. At the NYD shoot I felt I was outclassed as I was shooting iron sights and didn't so great with the dark targets. To fix this I scrimped, pimped and sold some stuff and got a T-1 at the bargin cave. I thought a magnified scope was for the open class and the 1X red dots were good for the tactical class.

Also, I take it you haven't seen to many sagia's. Mine didn't have too many problems when new, but I fixed them and converted it to pistol grip like the AK's. I have done all the work myself to my sagia and it runs very well. It didn't miss a beat at the last patrol shoot or the NYD shoot either. I have a buddy that got his the same time I got mine and his runs good too.

But so be it, I'm in the open class due to a mag fed shotty.

[luvmy45]

Cool, your the one the working Saiga.. have a couple friends with them... nice single shots

I don't think about the open class as being the advanced class, it does attract the toys on the gun but there are a lot of guys with money that have great equipment, that still can't shoot out there.

NYD event was like it was probably like it was because is was a man on man event, this event is NOT man on man, you only compete as a single individual running the course, and go with the clock. I've seen the best of them get a jam up their guns, hi tech guns run on the edge of not running at times and can fail miserably at times.

All I know is it looks like a lot of fun!!!!

[tgibson]

I don't have a real computer right now but ill answer a.ll of these questions tonight.
Adios
TG

[tgibson]

OK.  This is exactly what I didn't want to happen.  I just want everyone to come out and have a good time.  I guess what I'll do is just run it heads up.  I don't think we are going to have a ton of Open shooters, but the guys shooting scopes are going to have a definate advantage over iron sighted guys.  Oh well I guess.
The only matches that seperate your ability are USPSA 3 gun matches.  All the rest of them match you up against the very best shooters in that division.  There is no seperation whatsoever.  I'll think about this some and see what I come up with.  I'll answer the rest of the questions first though.
Adios,
TG

[tgibson]

During the COF how much reloading will be required?

ie... rifle is easy couple of 30 round mags and good to go right?
How about pistol? Need 20 rounds for a single COF?
and Shotgun? 10 to 20 rounds per COF?

Of course all is dependant upon how accurate you are, but in general. Trying to figure out if I want the 9mm with higher cap mags and fewer reloads, or the .45 with I'm more accurate with but need more mags for reloads.

Thanks!

There will be at least one stage that requires 32 pistol rounds.  I think there is another one that takes 28 or so....I'd bring the XD.
There will be at least one stage that will require you to load shotgun rounds.  I don't think it will be any more than 9 though.
Adios,
TG

[tgibson]

So no Saiga 12? No red dots for tactical division, or no magnification?

From the rules posted above...
Tactical division:
Iron sights on all guns.  No speed loaders or magazines on shotguns.
Glass is considered an optic.  The long and short of it is if you are shooting a Saiga, you are in open division.  If you are shooting a rifle with glass on it, and a standard shotgun, you'd be in Scoped Tactical.
Adios,
TG

[tgibson]

round count is minimum...the course is designed so if you didn't miss you would shoot that number of rounds. So if you are like the rest of us, you'll be shooting more:)
 At some point you may decide the penalty seconds for the miss are less than the time it would take you to hit the target. Its up to you (and sometimes the SO will prod you along and tell you) to skip the target and take the penalty when you're struggling too long one one target task.

what he said...
Adios,
TG

[jordonhurd]

The rules posted above seemed pretty straight forward to me. I think that once everybody gets signed up it will be all good.
I know that I am a little nervous about shooting a new kind of match, but that will go away as soon as shooting starts.
I'll see you all Saturday.
Jordon. 

[tgibson]

The rules posted above seemed pretty straight forward to me. I think that once everybody gets signed up it will be all good.
I know that I am a little nervous about shooting a new kind of match, but that will go away as soon as shooting starts.
I'll see you all Saturday.
Jordon. 

Don't be nervous.  Think of it as a pistol stage followed directly by a shotgun stage, and a rifle stage followed directly by a shotgun stage, and a .....   It'll be fun.
Adios,
TG

[tgibson]

Here are four of the five stages.  Don't worry too much about the notes on them.  We'll discuss it fully during the walk though the morning of the match.
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Adios,
TG

[tgibson]

I had to post one more time here just so I could see 500 under my name!! 
Adios,
TG