Author Topic: BO Location  (Read 1656 times)

Online Nomad

  • Site Supporter
  • Trade Count: (18)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3011
  • Outdoor sports
BO Location
« on: January 15, 2010, 04:31:39 AM »
 Location of your BO is it fortified will it hold off an attack, how many know where it is? Some
questions to ask yourself.........Now weapons rifle pistol shotgun and maybe a 22......As lets say
2012 comes staying home, going to family farm, and the story goes on......A cheap rifle say 200.00
a 308 can serve many different functions shoots past 800 with adjustable sights or scope....
 Shoots a 120gr cast bullet with 5gr of Unique.........Yet a chamber adapter for a 32 auto will take
 small game and sounds like a pellet rifle...A 30 Carbine will work as well.....
 How remote are you going to be children hurt themselves just being kids, are you setup to handle a broken leg....infections inside and outside, tooth aches, medical help needed.......Are you a day out to help or is there any around at all......
 Different questions to ask yourself........
 Are roads open? gangs of thieves are going to be out and about they have needs as well........
 Can you plant a garden water it and protect it, small animals, big animals and other hungry
humans..........
 As said many times history will repeat itself small groups can survive knowledge and willingness....
 
« Last Edit: January 15, 2010, 07:00:03 AM by Nomad »

Offline bigjoey

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 197
  • Personal Responsibility- use some.
Re: BO Location
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2010, 04:05:36 PM »
Excellent statement. I have mulled over these thoughts myself many times. As far as medicine goes, I have been reading about native american uses of local plants. Charcoal will be of great use for poison ivy, and belly issues etc... In some ways going as low tech as you can might just save your life. The only thing i would add to this is an (s) on the end of the subject line. I think that having only one BO location is more dangerous than doing nothing. There are a few people who think thewy know where I would go. Better that way.
We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions. Ronald Reagan

Offline eric.

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 64
Re: BO Location
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2010, 12:17:23 PM »
I wish I had a cabin in the woods, but I don't.  My plan is to stay put.  If the problem is strictly local, I have family in other states.  If the problem is nationwide, my home supplies would go much farther here than what I could pack to another location.  While I feel completely comfortable in the woods, I think the sheer number of people would make living off the land all but impossible without land to grow food.  I think bags of rice and beans would keep me going longer here, and I can sit on my roof with a couple long guns if need be.  Just food for thought.

Offline eric.

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 64
Re: BO Location
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2010, 12:22:34 PM »
I hope I don't sound like I'm knocking the possibility of Bugging Out entirely, I just think too many people would be clogged up on the roads and/or trying to hunt the same deer in the larger number of SHTF scenarios.  I think we should all have a BOB, but also plan on staying put and surviving in place with what we have in the pantry right now. 

Offline bigjoey

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 197
  • Personal Responsibility- use some.
Re: BO Location
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2010, 04:38:55 PM »
Well said eric.
We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions. Ronald Reagan

Offline fj40mojo

  • Trade Count: (13)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2449
  • Μολὼν λάβε Μπορείτε να δοκιμάσετε πάλι
Re: BO Location
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2010, 04:52:28 PM »
Problem with BO locations as I see it is, as eric has pointed out, difficulties getting to said local but also what if someone beats you too it. If you've recognized it as a livable piece of ground someone else is bound to see the same qualities. If you are willing to defend that ground so will another. Just cuz you've got a title to a piece of ground doesn't mean that it is necessarily yours. Possession being 9/10 of the law and in a post apocalypse scenario that deed don't mean shit.
"Both an oligarch and a tyrant mistrust the people and therefore deprive them of their arms." Aristotle

“I know not what others may choose but, as for me, give me liberty or give me death.”-Patrick Henry

Μολὼν λάβε!

Offline e11charlie

  • Trade Count: (15)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2270
Re: BO Location
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2010, 06:43:58 PM »
So that means I can have your place in the apocalypse   ;D?
"The people should not be afraid of their government.  The government should be afraid of the people.  Is it not time?"   I am not a pessimist I am a realist, sooner or later the world shits on everyone, pretending it isnt shit makes you an idiot not a pessimist.

Offline bigjoey

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 197
  • Personal Responsibility- use some.
Re: BO Location
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2010, 09:30:42 PM »
Problem with BO locations as I see it is, as eric has pointed out, difficulties getting to said local but also what if someone beats you too it. If you've recognized it as a livable piece of ground someone else is bound to see the same qualities. If you are willing to defend that ground so will another. Just cuz you've got a title to a piece of ground doesn't mean that it is necessarily yours. Possession being 9/10 of the law and in a post apocalypse scenario that deed don't mean shit.
I agree, which is why I have only looked at general areas, not particular plots of land. We can really only speculate and imagine what could happen in a total shtf scenario. If it means the life and death of my family or the life and death of strangers then it is going to be a bad day for one of the two.
We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions. Ronald Reagan

Online Nomad

  • Site Supporter
  • Trade Count: (18)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3011
  • Outdoor sports
Re: BO Location
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2010, 06:28:11 AM »
 Mainly looking at different choices that people can have..........
 They are your choices and as well you will live with them....
 Best idea more than one plan....

Offline eric.

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 64
Re: BO Location
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2010, 10:58:18 AM »
Indeed, more than one plan.  Staying put is only my main plan, I still can't help but have some ideas of shouting "wolverines" from the hills. 

Offline Jim

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 47
Re
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2010, 06:54:55 AM »
I think that if things are bad enough to force people who participate in a "preparedness"  forum got bugging out them there will be a LOT of desperate amateures looking for a safe place as well. If you dont own the land your BOL sits on (or have permission of whoever does) youre probably gonna find things will be more crowded than you think.

I plan to bug in for as long as possible - home is where the vast majority of my supplies are. If it comes to it we'll bug out to a relatives ranch - remote, defendable, power, water, and sustainable. I earn my family's place with my medical and tactical skills (gonna probably have to step up patrols against rustlers) and of course there are plenty of farm chores to go around.

Basically, I think that he you have some vague plan to take a backpack full of supplies to your secret spot in the hills to live off the land you need to seriously reconsider your plan

Offline El Conquistador

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 81
  • “Some may never live, but the crazy never die”
Re: BO Location
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2010, 09:05:13 PM »
Don't know if this is the right thread to say this, but as far as bugging in I do have a suggestion. If you have a clear wall in the garage it doesn't hurt to have pre cut plywood in the shape of your windows/doors. If you poke around some job sites (not as easy these days but its still out there) you can often find pieces to cover most of your smaller windows in the scrap piles. Just ask the guys on the site before you start to load. You can mark which one fits where, and have a box of screws ready too. When the worst hits you will not find plywood anywhere, and whether your staying or going the bad guys will pick the easier house when they can. You could even cut a few shooting crosses into the panels that will cover a window that opens. I always end up needing some ply anyhow, so I just replace what I use.
Just a thought.
The difference between Democrat and Republican politicians is like the difference between a shit sandwich, and a shit sandwich with mustard.

Offline eric.

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 64
Re: BO Location
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2010, 10:55:31 AM »
A good thought indeed.  I have been doing that some with plywood and plastic.  I'm only half way there as I'm ADD as hell and have a ton of projects I'm doing.

Offline WTF

  • Site Supporter
  • Trade Count: (9)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2415
  • Compassion Kills
Re: BO Location
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2010, 01:00:17 PM »
Don't know if this is the right thread to say this, but as far as bugging in I do have a suggestion. If you have a clear wall in the garage it doesn't hurt to have pre cut plywood in the shape of your windows/doors. If you poke around some job sites (not as easy these days but its still out there) you can often find pieces to cover most of your smaller windows in the scrap piles. Just ask the guys on the site before you start to load. You can mark which one fits where, and have a box of screws ready too. When the worst hits you will not find plywood anywhere, and whether your staying or going the bad guys will pick the easier house when they can. You could even cut a few shooting crosses into the panels that will cover a window that opens. I always end up needing some ply anyhow, so I just replace what I use.
Just a thought.

Ain't nothing a Molotov cocktail can't handle, just adds more fuel to the fire.

If I were to build and design a BO home, it'd be underground, thick steel doors (Think nuclear missile silo) bullet proof glass windows.

or a Concrete home, with heavy duty fireproof tiles, or even use stuco if it were to be made on the cheap.

We are Legion.

Offline eric.

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 64
Re: BO Location
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2010, 04:20:07 PM »
One day I hope to have a home like that. 

Offline El Conquistador

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 81
  • “Some may never live, but the crazy never die”
Re: BO Location
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2010, 05:13:00 PM »
Ain't nothing a Molotov cocktail can't handle, just adds more fuel to the fire.

If I were to build and design a BO home, it'd be underground, thick steel doors (Think nuclear missile silo) bullet proof glass windows.

or a Concrete home, with heavy duty fireproof tiles, or even use stuco if it were to be made on the cheap.


Well sure WTF, if I could build my perfect BO place it may also have escape tunnels, automated motion activated lasers, a mote with alligators, a fully stocked wet bar, theater with surround sound, and numerous out buildings for the multitude of women that I would be forced to repopulate society with.

But the reality is that my 4 bed 2 bath Meridian suburban compound is where I will probably be for a bit. I just think that during a short duration clusterF, natural disaster or whatnot, that given the choice the looters will pick easy glass over pulling lumber everytime. If I do have time before we take off, I'll do it on the off chance that I might have something to come back to. And if we are staying for a bit, boarded windows (with lookout holes) are a lot easier to guard against intruders than glass. If it comes down to Molotovs in Meridian, we shouldn't still be here anyway. I would have already loaded my BSU cheerleader and gymnastics teams into the stretch limo Hummer and headed to the aforementioned BO place.
The difference between Democrat and Republican politicians is like the difference between a shit sandwich, and a shit sandwich with mustard.

Offline WTF

  • Site Supporter
  • Trade Count: (9)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2415
  • Compassion Kills
Re: BO Location
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2010, 05:55:44 PM »
I already have dibs on some cheerleaders, Good Luck!
We are Legion.

Offline e11charlie

  • Trade Count: (15)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2270
Re: BO Location
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2010, 07:00:20 PM »
Honestly I have 8 picked out and marked on maps.  Each one is dependent on the scenario that may arise.  Then I have 3 back ups. 
"The people should not be afraid of their government.  The government should be afraid of the people.  Is it not time?"   I am not a pessimist I am a realist, sooner or later the world shits on everyone, pretending it isnt shit makes you an idiot not a pessimist.

Offline bigjoey

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 197
  • Personal Responsibility- use some.
Re: BO Location
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2010, 09:45:04 PM »
Honestly I have 8 picked out and marked on maps.  Each one is dependent on the scenario that may arise.  Then I have 3 back ups. 
with all these cheerleaders going around, mybe a shtf scnenario wouldn't be too bad.  ;) Oh your takiing about locations. ;D I think i would take the cheerleaders! :headbang: :sex:
We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions. Ronald Reagan

Offline GrayWolf

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 795
Re: BO Location
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2010, 10:14:00 PM »
Cheerleaders would be a great for bartering!
"We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission - the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force."  ~ Ayn Rand

Offline WTF

  • Site Supporter
  • Trade Count: (9)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2415
  • Compassion Kills
Re: BO Location
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2010, 11:06:48 PM »
Cheerleaders would be a great for bartering!

why barter them away when they can make continual revenue?
We are Legion.

Offline GrayWolf

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 795
Re: BO Location
« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2010, 11:11:08 PM »
why barter them away when they can make continual revenue?

Good point!
"We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission - the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force."  ~ Ayn Rand

Offline e11charlie

  • Trade Count: (15)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2270
Re: BO Location
« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2010, 11:42:41 AM »
with all these cheerleaders going around, mybe a shtf scnenario wouldn't be too bad.  ;) Oh your takiing about locations. ;D I think i would take the cheerleaders! :headbang: :sex:

I was talking about the cheerleaders.
"The people should not be afraid of their government.  The government should be afraid of the people.  Is it not time?"   I am not a pessimist I am a realist, sooner or later the world shits on everyone, pretending it isnt shit makes you an idiot not a pessimist.

Offline bigjoey

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 197
  • Personal Responsibility- use some.
Re: BO Location
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2010, 11:15:54 PM »
I was talking about the cheerleaders.
A man aftermy own heart... makes me proud to be associated with such great intellectuals ;)
We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions. Ronald Reagan

Offline Swift6Six

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 113
Re: BO Location
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2010, 09:45:13 AM »
Well sure WTF, if I could build my perfect BO place it may also have escape tunnels, automated motion activated lasers, a mote with alligators, a fully stocked wet bar, theater with surround sound, and numerous out buildings for the multitude of women that I would be forced to repopulate society with.

But the reality is that my 4 bed 2 bath Meridian suburban compound is where I will probably be for a bit. I just think that during a short duration clusterF, natural disaster or whatnot, that given the choice the looters will pick easy glass over pulling lumber everytime. If I do have time before we take off, I'll do it on the off chance that I might have something to come back to. And if we are staying for a bit, boarded windows (with lookout holes) are a lot easier to guard against intruders than glass. If it comes down to Molotovs in Meridian, we shouldn't still be here anyway. I would have already loaded my BSU cheerleader and gymnastics teams into the stretch limo Hummer and headed to the aforementioned BO place.

Yup, I'd be staying put in my Meridian compound as well... at least for a few days to a few weeks depending on the situation. I've always thought that it would be good to have a small community of like minded individuals who are prepared also, and keep a few families together with different backgrounds and skills to support each other.  Everyone has to contribute to be part, but I've got 2500 acres of BO, which could be defended.
Psalm 144:1

Offline Bill, Idaho

  • Trade Count: (4)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 655
Re: BO Location
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2010, 07:54:51 PM »
Consider this: How long could you and your family live in your present home/location with no services. Water, power, etc. Weather and neighbors are variables that we would need to consider.
   Obviously, depending on what type of SHTF scenario, think about what everyone else within blocks is thinking about. They are probably hurting as bad as you, and maybe more. Maybe less.  If things are bad enough to hunker down and try to exist on only what you have, things are bad enough that the neighbors might not be so friendly anymore (that part wouldn't be a big change for me).   If you are going to stand fast, you better plan on things getting real tough. The geography of each of our homes will dictate which events we could stay for and which we would have to leave.   
  In LA during the last riots, when a few of the store owners got tired of the looting, they brought out rifles and started shooting.  That was enough to trigger their SHTF plan. We all need to think hard and long about how much it's going to take to trip our flares.   
  Personally, I think I live in a house that if was still standing relatively sound and intact, taking the layout of the land I'm on, and considering what's around me, I could get by pretty good right here.  Now, is Caldwell where I want to be if the SHTF? Like I said, it depends on what type of SHTF occurred.
    I figure it would take me (and my wife) about two days to load all my guns and ammo, food, water, recent issues of SWAT magazine, and other items into the back of the 5-ton.
I think I'll try to stay here. I've got ALL of what I can see from my property on range cards.

Offline fj40mojo

  • Trade Count: (13)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2449
  • Μολὼν λάβε Μπορείτε να δοκιμάσετε πάλι
Re: BO Location
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2010, 09:57:38 PM »
You might be a redneck Boise Shooter if.....you've got everything within eyesight of your property on  range cards. :evilgrin:
"Both an oligarch and a tyrant mistrust the people and therefore deprive them of their arms." Aristotle

“I know not what others may choose but, as for me, give me liberty or give me death.”-Patrick Henry

Μολὼν λάβε!

Offline El Conquistador

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 81
  • “Some may never live, but the crazy never die”
Re: BO Location
« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2010, 05:53:18 PM »
I know its been mentioned elsewhere, but I am also thinking about trying one of the do-it-yourself small scale well digging setups in the backyard. I think we could go for quite a while without the juice on, but water will get scarce quick unless the canals are running, or you could get to the river. A small hand pump and a capped off 1 1/2" pipe in the yard wouldn't be a bad idea. I've read some different sites about how to do it, but never talked to any that actually had. Anyone try it yet?
As far as a BO location, I still think that unless you actually have some prior, insider info, we will all be stuck home for a bit. Any SHTF situation will have EVERYONE on the road in the first hours/days, and you'll burn your gas sitting in one spot. In certain situations the Gov will try to keep you off the roads as well. I think unless your actual neighborhood is affected, its better to access the situation and then try to head out.
The difference between Democrat and Republican politicians is like the difference between a shit sandwich, and a shit sandwich with mustard.

Offline WTF

  • Site Supporter
  • Trade Count: (9)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2415
  • Compassion Kills
Re: BO Location
« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2010, 05:58:31 PM »
or buy a older home that already has a well in the basement, quite a few of them in the boise area have them. but most are capped off. some of the older homes already have wells in the backyard.
We are Legion.

Offline Swift6Six

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 113
Re: BO Location
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2010, 08:04:38 AM »
That's a great idea also.  Don't forget your water heater contains probably close to 50g of water as well, and in a pinch you could use that.  My BOL already has several wells on the property plus several reservoirs.
Psalm 144:1

Offline El Conquistador

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 81
  • “Some may never live, but the crazy never die”
Re: BO Location
« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2010, 08:59:50 PM »
The water heater is a good reserve tank (Remember to kill the power/gas before draining), as well as the toilet tanks in a real pinch, but as a plumber I can tell you that in certain disaster situations, the city water can be tainted pretty quick. If you havent drawn ANY water since the quake/explosion/terrorist act then you should shut off your main to prevent any cross connection and you should be OK. If any water has been drawn and its one of those situation, OR if you turn on any line and hear air being drawn into the fixture, then your system may be compromised and you should take the proper procautions. I'm still going to look into the small scale, do it yourself backyard well with a handpump. You might still need to boil it, as you wont be able to test for bacteria in that situation, but it would be a good backup source if necessary.
The difference between Democrat and Republican politicians is like the difference between a shit sandwich, and a shit sandwich with mustard.

Offline e11charlie

  • Trade Count: (15)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2270
Re: BO Location
« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2010, 08:00:23 AM »
the city water can be tainted pretty quick.

Bwahahaha you said taint.  Sorry carry on.
"The people should not be afraid of their government.  The government should be afraid of the people.  Is it not time?"   I am not a pessimist I am a realist, sooner or later the world shits on everyone, pretending it isnt shit makes you an idiot not a pessimist.

Offline No-One

  • Trade Count: (12)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 494
  • Team "Papa Golf"
Re: BO Location
« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2010, 08:31:02 AM »
If you live on a property with a well make sure that you can access the water if the power goes out . Either a good quality hand pump or a power backup system so you can run the electric pump . Several water barrels or a large water tank of some sort that you can fill wouldn't be a half bad investment either .
"Concern yourself with what is right and you'll never second-guess that decision."~George Berry

Offline BadtzMaru

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 62
Re: BO Location
« Reply #33 on: March 12, 2010, 04:06:21 PM »
I know its been mentioned elsewhere, but I am also thinking about trying one of the do-it-yourself small scale well digging setups in the backyard. I think we could go for quite a while without the juice on, but water will get scarce quick unless the canals are running, or you could get to the river. A small hand pump and a capped off 1 1/2" pipe in the yard wouldn't be a bad idea. I've read some different sites about how to do it, but never talked to any that actually had. Anyone try it yet?

I mentioned it in the other thread, but it bears repeating.  There are laws about constructing wells, even for yourself.  Do your homework and either make sure you comply or are willing to handle the consequences if you get caught doing something illegal.  Also, depending on where you live, that water may be down several hundred feet.

Personally, if I were going to go to the trouble of drilling a well, I'd do it right (at this point in time) with a six-inch casing.  For house and stock water that would be adequate to get a decent centrifugal pump into it.  If things go south, a generator (or windmill) can run the pump or if it gets bad enough, pull the pump and use a bailer on a rope or cable.  A 1.5" pipe is too small to fit a bailer into it and hand pumps are really only good to lift less than about 50 feet.  You can use a 3-liter bailer and the only limit is the length of your rope.