Topic: How close do Local clubs follow IDPA rules?

[J Mack]

How close do you follow the official rules for local matches.
Specifically "C" no cone style barrels without a barrel bushing. My wife and I would like to start participating in more shooting events but all of our 1911 pistols have a cone style barrel.


1. Non-IDPA-Legal Modifications for ALL
Divisions
The following modifications are NOT ALLOWED IN ANY
DIVISION unless otherwise specifically mentioned.
A. Compensators of any type including hybrid or ported
barrels.
B. Add-on weights for a competitive advantage (this includes,
but is not limited to, weighted magazines, tungsten guide rods,
brass magazine wells, weighted grips).
C. Heavy and/or cone style barrels without a barrel bushing.
D. Sights of non-standard configuration (i.e. Ghost rings, Bo-
Mar rib, etc.).
E. Disconnection or disabling of any safety device on any gun.
F. Lights mounted on guns.

[tgibson]

JMack,
I am going to tell you what I have experienced.....it all depends on where you shoot.  I have shot at clubs the told me if I didn't have all my gear squared away, I couldn't shoot the next match.  Holster, mag carriers, concealment garment...all of it.  If I wasn't 100% by the rule book, they wouldn't let me shoot.
I have also shot at clubs that were just happy to have you there and it didn't matter WHAT you were shooting.  One of my buddies even shot with a full on race holster!!  Basically, the ONLY thing they were doing by the rules was the scoring.  They weren't shooting from cover, weren't using concealment....nothing.  It was fun, but wasn't really a good representation of IDPA.
Parma and Impact both do a pretty good job of following the rules.  In fact they do a better job than most clubs I have shot at about following the rules.  I'm not sure what Nampa has in mind.  On one hand I hope they follow the rules, but on the other I don't want new shooters to be turned away because they don't have the right equipment to compete.
I really hope that because they are club level matches, they'll give you a bit of leeway in the beginning.  We'll see.
Adios,
TG

[J Mack]

JMack,
I am going to tell you what I have experienced.....it all depends on where you shoot.  I have shot at clubs the told me if I didn't have all my gear squared away, I couldn't shoot the next match.  Holster, mag carriers, concealment garment...all of it.  If I wasn't 100% by the rule book, they wouldn't let me shoot.

Adios,
TG

Thanks TG

I have the SV and my wife has the Kimber for our concealed carry both with coned barrels and it won't do us any good to buy new weapons just comply  with the rules.

[tgibson]

Thanks TG

I have the SV and my wife has the Kimber for our concealed carry both with coned barrels and it won't do us any good to buy new weapons just comply  with the rules.

And those are two great carry guns.  Hope to see you out there!
Adios,
TG
PS.  I just got your message.  I'll call you in a few.
TG

[carharttfarmer]

parma is good about  new shooters they follow the rules but wont turn u away if your gear isnt all idpa legal  mine never is and i always get to shoot

[luvmy45]

How close do you follow the official rules for local matches.
Specifically "C" no cone style barrels without a barrel bushing. My wife and I would like to start participating in more shooting events but all of our 1911 pistols have a cone style barrel.

It would be nice if all the clubs really followed the rules, because that's what makes it IDPA.

That said, the first time your shoot IDPA we, and I mean the Parma and Impact matches, (because they are run by the same MD's) offer a lot of leeway to the new shooter. Holster's about the only place we will not budge and not allow someone to shoot, because of saftey. Crossdraws & shoulder holsters are just not safe in the competitve environment.

Coned barrels were originally a competetive advantage because of the extra weight to reduce recoil. However, you can have coned barrels in CDP if it is factory installed and bbl is 4.2" or less. (pg 23. Permitted Mod. #4)

Which Kimber and SV do you have?

Bring them to the local matches to shoot and if you don't meet the permitted modifications, we will probably still let you shoot, have to get the MD's permission, but I know for the first match you'll be fine.

If you decide to shoot a sanctioned match, you will need to follow the rules, cross the T's and dot the I's.

[luvmy45]

parma is good about  new shooters they follow the rules but wont turn u away if your gear isnt all idpa legal  mine never is and i always get to shoot

  DOH! FTDR for you my friend

[J Mack]

Coned barrels were originally a competetive advantage because of the extra weight to reduce recoil. However, you can have coned barrels in CDP if the it is factory installed and bbl is 4.2" or less. (pg 23. Permitted Mod. #4)

Which Kimber and SV do you have?

My wife carries the Pro Carry II .45 ACP and I carry a similar SV both with barrels under 4.2”
We certainly would not have any accuracy advantage over a full size 1911 and doubtful if we can realize much recoil reduction in a 3” barreled .45acp, Anyway these are the guns we carry and the guns we practice with so naturally these would be the guns we would want to compete in IDPA with.  

[luvmy45]

My wife carries the Pro Carry II .45 ACP and I carry a similar SV both with barrels under 4.2”
We certainly would not have any accuracy advantage over a full size 1911 and doubtful if we can realize much recoil reduction in a 3” barreled .45acp, Anyway these are the guns we carry and the guns we practice with so naturally these would be the guns we would want to compete in IDPA with.  

Well then you have no problem, I shoot my 4" Wilson CQB sometimes as well, and it has a coned barrel. Perfectly legal. Your set to go!

See you at a match!

[J Mack]

Well then you have no problem, I shoot my 4" Wilson CQB sometimes as well, and it has a coned barrel. Perfectly legal. Your set to go!

See you at a match!

Sweet!!

[zona5101]

Just to be clear, although you may be able to shoot local matches with less than squared away gear, you can not shoot a sanctioned match with said gear. I have less of a problem with someone shooting a nonstandard gun or an unapproved holster once in a while as long as they know they are not meeting the rules. What I'd hate to have happen is somebody become an IDPA member, shoot all year then show up at the state match and be told their gear is illegal... Best thing to do is to get all the gear squared away. Because we want to grow the sport, we'll let some stuff bend but if the exceptions get too be too many then we'd expect the Match Directors and/or Area Coordinator to reign things back in.

[J Mack]

Just to be clear,  Best thing to do is to get all the gear squared away.

So to be clear is a 3.5" coned barrel 1911 in a IBW holster legit?

We are looking for some shooting sports to enjoy with our current CCW rigs, we are not looking to spend hundred's of dollars to play a shooting game with specialized equipment.

[zona5101]

So to be clear is a 3.5" coned barrel 1911 in a IBW holster legit?

We are looking for some shooting sports to enjoy with our current CCW rigs, we are not looking to spend hundred's of dollars to play a shooting game with specialized equipment.

Yes your gear is fine.
There are modifications that could be done to make your gun not fine... for example disabling your grip safety.
The rule book describes the permitted and not permitted modifications. Available on line here http://www.idpa.com/Documents/IDPARuleBook2005.pdf

"we are not looking to spend hundred's of dollars to play a shooting game with specialized equipment." - along with a focus on self-defense & safe gun handling this is the absolute essence of idpa

[J Mack]

Thank you Zona

We are looking at this more as a social gathering to shoot our pistols and hopefully pickup some good habits or lose some bad ones in the process. 

[Nomad]

 Parma has great people that have some common sense about shooting. Safety first golden Rule......
 My son shows up to shoot as he hunts and was told of unsafe items others help out and we
Had a great first time shoot.........Thanks to all ....

[luvmy45]

Most of us at the Parma range carry extra gear, holsters, mags, etc... if you show up with gear that is out of spec or unsafe, if we have some gear there that will work with your equipment, we are more than happy to help loan it to you for the shoot.

You also get to see other peoples gear and equipment and test what works and doesnt, like why a cheap $10 uncle mikes IWB holster is truely a piece of crap for EDC, and down right unsafe.

Anyway, you will find that most shooting sports want to help people shoot and have a good time in a safe environment, new shooters are ALWAYS welcome, 3 gun, IDPA, USPSA, Steel Challenge... we don't expect you to know all the rules, just be safe with your gun and have a willing attitude to learn what to do.

See you at the range!