How Will the SHTF?

[hawkiye]

 I was thinking since we are all preparing for when the SHTF I am curious what others think will happen. I know none of us can predict for sure how things will go down. But I thought it might be helpful for us to hear each others ideas on how we potentially think it could go down? I thought hearing others perspectives might helps us prepare better for scenarios we may not have considered or given much weight to?

So what do you think might trigger it, how will the government react or even perhaps escalate it whether unintentionally or even intentionally, and how will people react etc. etc. I realize it is mostly speculation but the more we can anticipate ahead of time the better we may be able to cope when it does happen.

[NGO]

I lay odds on dollar collapsing , once China drops the dollar.

Unless we see war break out that starts to involve major world players...

Or we see any number of excuses / events used as a false flag to dismiss Congress and we see martial law or dictatorial power implemented.

Second thought I would like to see it be a dollar collapse be the way it goes down after thinking about the alternatives.

[GrayWolf]

Check out the 6 part Gerald Celente interview (done about 2 weeks ago) on  http://www.shtfplan.com/forecasting/gerald-celente-christmas-crash-get-ready-for-the-collapse-to-come-very-quickly_09232009.

Particularly listen to part 6 - the summary of when and how the economy fails.

[hawkiye]

I lay odds on dollar collapsing , once China drops the dollar.

Unless we see war break out that starts to involve major world players...

Or we see any number of excuses / events used as a false flag to dismiss Congress and we see martial law or dictatorial power implemented.

Second thought I would like to see it be a dollar collapse be the way it goes down after thinking about the alternatives.

We might see that war break out now with Iran dumping the dollar as thier oil currency. China gets much of thier oil from Iran, if it gets cut off that is a pretext for war.  See my post in the economic section on this.

[Scarecrow]

I agree with a down economy setting the stage for the SHTF.  Local (city or county) access to resources (water, power, food, gas) will trigger the most commonly envisioned "SHTF" scenario.  Barring those circumstances, it will happen so slowly one day you'll pause for a second and realize that the world as you knew it growing up ended some time ago.

[SNAFU]

If people don't get to fed up with the idiots in office first, I would say the Dollar Collapsing would be the final straw.

[NGO]

For some people getting laid off has already triggered SHTF living.

[SNAFU]

For some people getting laid off has already triggered SHTF living.

good point

[GrayWolf]

For some people getting laid off has already triggered SHTF living.
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good point

We should all pray (or if atheist, think positive thoughts) that those laid off will adapt and overcome, whether or not the SHTF has occurred (or will occur).  I think of these people daily, because I've been there - several times, in fact.

[fj40mojo]

It will happen something like this [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ]

[Jeff]

it will happen so slowly one day you'll pause for a second and realize that the world as you knew it growing up ended some time ago

That happened to me a long time ago.  Incrementalism is a bitch.

The economy is going to shit the bed.  Soon?  Maybe.  I wish I had a crystal ball.

[Nomad]

 Be prepared.......More than just a motto......

[Michael N]

For some people getting laid off has already triggered SHTF living.

I am not quite to the point of SHTF living and have been laid off since May . Luckily I didn't refi my home and suck out all the equity or buy a truck with a 600 dollar a month payment so I have spent this time beefing up some of my preperations and have actually increased the size of my long term food storage and put up a bunch of firewood to keep my home warm this winter . I do have to say that having good friends helped make all of that possible so having that network in place before things go south should be part of everyones plan as making a go of it alone could be very difficult .

[bigjoey]

It will happen something like this [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ]

 I dig these gifs you keep posting. The tinfoil stormtrooper one is the best so far! 

[Kcboats]

Rapture and second coming...no not screwing with you...I think it is coming.

[neby98]

I think we're because a third world country, slow and steady. As long as the TVs computers and video games stay on and McDonald's feeds the masses people will match happily along.

[NGO]

Rapture and second coming...no not screwing with you...I think it is coming.

Use to be Pre-trib...then Pre-wrath...now, right before the end of the trib as he comes in the sky and we meet him.
Those that are left are really going to learn the meaning of SHTF and then it will be TEOTWAWKI!

So I prep for the years ahead...

[Kcboats]

AMEN to that brother!

[AR10ER]

We might see that war break out now with Iran dumping the dollar as thier oil currency. China gets much of thier oil from Iran, if it gets cut off that is a pretext for war.  See my post in the economic section on this.

They have.

Ahmadinejad orders dollar to be replaced by Euro

PUBLISHED: 2009/09/21 09:28:31 AM

Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad - Reuters.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has ordered Iran’s foreign currency reserves, currently in US dollars, to be replaced by the euro, Press TV reported.

The order was issued following a decision by the trustees of the country’s foreign reserves, the state-run news channel says this morning.

At the same time, Iran is to be one of the issues discussed by this thursdays’ meeting of leaders of the 15-member council.

It’s also the first time a US president chairs the UN’s top decision-making body - and as Washington increases pressure on Tehran over it’s nuclear plans.

There will be a separate two-day conference designed to breathe new life into a treaty that bans the testing of nuclear weapons.

The United States is one of nine countries with nuclear technology that is still blunting the entry into force of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty. The US never ratified the treaty, but Obama is giving it a second chance by pushing hard for the Senate’s approval.

Attending the council meeting along with Obama will be some of the world’s most powerful leaders, including presidents Hu Jintao of China, Nicholas Sarkozy of France, Dmitry Medvedev of Russia and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown. Others include new Japanese Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama and Libya’s leader Moammar Gaddafi.

A draft Security Council resolution submitted by the US urges all states to refrain from conducting nuclear test explosions and to sign and ratify the CTBT, “thereby bringing it into force at an early date.” The draft, which is expected to be approved by the world leaders at the council meeting Thursday, also upholds the Nuclear Non- Proliferation Treaty (NPT), which will come under review in 2010.

US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton will lead a separate conference on CTBT at UN headquarters on Thursday and Friday. She will join foreign ministers from more than 100 governments.

The high-profile US presence has given hope to disarmament advocates that global efforts to end nuclear explosions and rid the world of nuclear weapons will finally gain traction

http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/Content.aspx?id=82026

[bigjoey]

They have.

Ahmadinejad orders dollar to be replaced by Euro

PUBLISHED: 2009/09/21 09:28:31 AM

Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad - Reuters.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has ordered Iran’s foreign currency reserves, currently in US dollars, to be replaced by the euro, Press TV reported.

The order was issued following a decision by the trustees of the country’s foreign reserves, the state-run news channel says this morning.

At the same time, Iran is to be one of the issues discussed by this thursdays’ meeting of leaders of the 15-member council.

It’s also the first time a US president chairs the UN’s top decision-making body - and as Washington increases pressure on Tehran over it’s nuclear plans.

There will be a separate two-day conference designed to breathe new life into a treaty that bans the testing of nuclear weapons.

The United States is one of nine countries with nuclear technology that is still blunting the entry into force of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty. The US never ratified the treaty, but Obama is giving it a second chance by pushing hard for the Senate’s approval.

Attending the council meeting along with Obama will be some of the world’s most powerful leaders, including presidents Hu Jintao of China, Nicholas Sarkozy of France, Dmitry Medvedev of Russia and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown. Others include new Japanese Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama and Libya’s leader Moammar Gaddafi.

A draft Security Council resolution submitted by the US urges all states to refrain from conducting nuclear test explosions and to sign and ratify the CTBT, “thereby bringing it into force at an early date.” The draft, which is expected to be approved by the world leaders at the council meeting Thursday, also upholds the Nuclear Non- Proliferation Treaty (NPT), which will come under review in 2010.

US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton will lead a separate conference on CTBT at UN headquarters on Thursday and Friday. She will join foreign ministers from more than 100 governments.

The high-profile US presence has given hope to disarmament advocates that global efforts to end nuclear explosions and rid the world of nuclear weapons will finally gain traction

Just another sign among many. The Dollar is being flushed and our economy will follow the rest of the way down the drain.

[SNAFU]

I think this clip puts things in perspective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPxyd3HC12I

[AR10ER]

We should all pray (or if atheist, think positive thoughts) that those laid off will adapt and overcome, whether or not the SHTF has occurred (or will occur).  I think of these people daily, because I've been there - several times, in fact.

I have never been with out a job before, and 7 months into not having one is really starting to eat at me. I have been sick for the last 5 months, with something my Dr. has not been able to figure out, and with no insurance, this is getting expensive.

[NGO]

Great little story about how it can all hit.

http://johngaltfla.com/blog3/2009/11/18/the-day-the-dollar-died/

http://johngaltfla.com/blog3/2009/11/19/american-hangover-the-day-the-dollar-died-part-ii/

http://johngaltfla.com/blog3/2009/11/21/i-have-been-to-the-fields-of-gettysburg-the-day-the-dollar-died-part-iii/



Given techonology being so interconnected and instant....I can see how this could happen.

I would recommed keeping a min. amount in your bank and always keep the gas tanks full and always know how you will spend the last couple thousand of what will become worthless TP.

[WTF]

I don't care how it happens, just as long as it happens in my lifetime so I can make a contribution to make this a better society.

[landelmer]

I don't care how it happens, just as long as it happens in my lifetime so I can make a contribution to make this a better society.

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