Author Topic: NC Star Optic (Read 3173 times)

911InsideJob · « **on:** September 18, 2009, 08:52:34 AM »

Hey folks, I just purchased an NC Star 3-9x optic for my AR. My buddy had one on his, which seemingly functioned very well. I just bought this one for 70.00 and have yet to use it. My only fear is that this company sells its wares for fairly cheap. I guess worst case would be that I just flushed 70.00 down the tubes. There's a group of fellows at the Ft. Boise Gun Shows that sell all NC Star products. They too said they have had no problems with them. Have any of you folks used any NC Star products? If so, was the experirence good or bad? Thanks for the input.

e11charlie · « **Reply #1 on:** September 18, 2009, 09:13:16 AM »

Well you get what you pay for. I have heard of problems with keeping a zero on an AR. But if he has had no problems with it.

I use Sightmark. Cant afford anything else.

J Mack · « **Reply #2 on:** September 18, 2009, 09:52:16 AM »

For me the glass in the NC Star scopes is not clear enough for any long distance work and for $70.00 you can buy a cheep red dot that would work better for the close stuff.
That being said you own the NC Star and I would mount it if you have the proper mount but I would not spend the money for a specialty AR scope mount to mount that scope.
I have a few different scope/mount combination's for the AR flat top receiver you can try, just shoot me a PM and we can find something that will fit your budget and shooting style.

popsgunner · « **Reply #3 on:** September 18, 2009, 10:14:27 AM »

Agree with all above.

911InsideJob · « **Reply #4 on:** September 18, 2009, 01:28:00 PM »

I appreciate the feedback. J Mack- when you type of different mounting systems, what exactly are you referring to? I have the optic on rings, but am I missing something better? (I'm still failry new to guns, I have been shooting since I was a little boy, but was never interested in the engineering/details of shootinig until very recently). Can someone enlighten me to what the "Trade" number means under our handles on the left side of the screen? Thanks.

fj40mojo · « **Reply #5 on:** September 18, 2009, 01:34:46 PM »

Quote from: 911InsideJob on September 18, 2009, 01:28:00 PM

I appreciate the feedback. J Mack- when you type of different mounting systems, what exactly are you referring to? I have the optic on rings, but am I missing something better? (I'm still failry new to guns, I have been shooting since I was a little boy, but was never interested in the engineering/details of shootinig until very recently). Can someone enlighten me to what the "Trade" number means under our handles on the left side of the screen? Thanks.

I'll let JMack address your mounting concerns. As for the "Trades" question, check out the Swap Meet AO and think barter system. That should put things in context.

SNAFU · « **Reply #6 on:** September 18, 2009, 10:21:06 PM »

NCStar's are "OK" for Airsoft, but on an AR, I wouldn't recommend them...

J Mack · « **Reply #7 on:** September 18, 2009, 10:34:59 PM »

Ar’s require an extra tall cantilever mount to get proper eye relief and as far as I know these mounts are unique to this weapon and if you try other options you will end up here eventually.

If you have a carry handle you will also need a unique mount for the AR that mounts the scope too high to be of much use IMHO.

Red dots are another can of worms for another day as well as co-witness with your BUIS.

Jeff · « **Reply #8 on:** September 18, 2009, 10:48:23 PM »

I like the looks of the Mark II Tactical Series. I'd like to get my hands on one and see just how crappy it is.

http://www.ncstar.com/store/scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=28

e11charlie · « **Reply #9 on:** September 18, 2009, 10:56:40 PM »

I dont know J mack I used that set up with the carry handle mount with a red dot and loved it. I like the reflex with no handle and BUIS now.

J Mack · « **Reply #10 on:** September 19, 2009, 08:46:02 AM »

In my opinion mounting a "standard 3X9 scope" on a carry handle sets the scope so much higher than any other optic on any other weapon in my collection it becomes useless to me. Again my opinion.

Quote from: e11charlie on September 18, 2009, 10:56:40 PM

I don't know J Mack I used that set up with the carry handle mount with a red dot and loved it. I like the reflex with no handle and BUIS now.

Like I tried to say above it seems like most guys that try spacers or handle mounts end up with a flat top and a cantilever mount for their telescopic scope or a special AR specific mount for their reflex or red dot and never look back.
So my advice stands if your budget permits get a optic/mount combo to allows you get descent cheek weld on you AR the first time and don’t waste your money trying to save it.

Jim

911InsideJob · « **Reply #11 on:** September 19, 2009, 10:48:40 AM »

I agree, J Mack. I placed it originally on my carry handle, and had an issue with it being a tad bit too high. It looked a little goofy too. I'm going to go test drive this POS a little later. I guess I'll recycle enough cans until I can afford that ACOG (that outlook seems like it won't come until a day after doomsday, unfortunately).

fj40mojo · « **Reply #12 on:** September 19, 2009, 02:52:14 PM »

Quote from: J Mack on September 19, 2009, 08:46:02 AM

In my opinion mounting a "standard 3X9 scope" on a carry handle sets the scope so much higher than any other optic on any other weapon in my collection it becomes useless to me. Again my opinion.

Bushmaster used to sell a snap on cheek piece that snapped onto the standard CAR stock and gave good eye alignment with a carry handle type mount. I had one, but I'm not sure what I did with it when I went to my flattop upper.

Kcboats · « **Reply #13 on:** September 19, 2009, 04:32:44 PM »

Yeah Jeff, this is the one that keeps grabbing my attention to! I would like to see a review from somebody we know on one of them...

e11charlie · « **Reply #14 on:** September 19, 2009, 05:43:09 PM »

I find it funny When NC star first came out all you hear is "oh its crap you can not have good optics that cost that cheap," so on and so on. Now people are actually trying and recommending them.

911InsideJob · « **Reply #15 on:** September 21, 2009, 07:09:12 AM »

Well, folks, to my satisafction, the NC Star model POS, worked surprisingly well! I shot 250 rounds (after getting it as close to zero as I could), and had a very good time with it from that point on. Did not come loose and maintained its zero. I guess time will be the real test, huh? Fingers crossed until that point (or, of course, the day after Doomsday, when I'll actually get an ACOG).

Kcboats · « **Reply #16 on:** September 27, 2009, 01:48:15 PM »

Has any one dealt with one of these? The Barska Electro scopes? I would like to see how it compares with the NCStar as a cheap/yet reliable scope to put on my AR while I wait for the lottery so I can afford an Aimpoint/ACOG/Eotech.

I like the 3x9 scope but it takes up too much room on my rifle and sits just right to not allow my MBUS.

Kcboats · « **Reply #17 on:** November 15, 2009, 12:05:37 PM »

Here is the one I ended up with
NcStar Sporting Scope 3 x 9 with illuminated red retical.

TrooperBrian · « **Reply #18 on:** November 15, 2009, 01:04:17 PM »

I bought an NcStar Mark III for my 700, and it worked great until I actually tried to dial it in. The turrets are so loose that the point of impact shifts from mere recoil up to +/- 1MOA for EACH SHOT. Its $160 down the tubes.

zona5101 · « **Reply #19 on:** November 16, 2009, 05:35:36 AM »

Quote from: Kcboats on November 15, 2009, 12:05:37 PM

Here is the one I ended up with
NcStar Sporting Scope 3 x 9 with illuminated red retical.
http://www.boiseshooters.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7175.0;attach=2360;image

How do you raise your BUIS?

TrooperBrian · « **Reply #20 on:** November 16, 2009, 10:10:54 AM »

Dump the scope I'm guessing, I know mine is worth about nothing to me..

Jeff · « **Reply #21 on:** November 16, 2009, 10:21:54 AM »

If the scope breaks then he can remove it and deploy the MBUS. Not super fast but it's not likely the killer whistle pigs will get him. If it's a zombie then he can use the scope tube like a big ghost ring.

zona5101 · « **Reply #22 on:** November 16, 2009, 11:00:10 AM »

agunforeachhand · « **Reply #23 on:** November 16, 2009, 11:10:25 AM »

I am guessing that the group you got it from was Alpha-omega?

?

THEY SUCK, sorry not the NC but the ALPHA-OMEGA

tgibson · « **Reply #24 on:** November 16, 2009, 12:40:42 PM »

Quote from: agunforeachhand on November 16, 2009, 11:10:25 AM

I am guessing that the group you got it from was Alpha-omega??

THEY SUCK, sorry not the NC but the ALPHA-OMEGA

Tracking ON!!

Adios,
TG

agunforeachhand · « **Reply #25 on:** November 16, 2009, 01:05:57 PM »

Quote from: tgibson on November 16, 2009, 12:40:42 PM

Tracking ON!!
Adios,
TG

And just what does that mean sir

LOL

Kcboats · « **Reply #26 on:** November 16, 2009, 09:00:05 PM »

Lol, to each there own...they have always treated me very well so I will deal with them. Although when Jeff gets his NcStar stuff I will buy from him. I dont like Cliffs, but that is my personal opinion...I still recommend them to others, just not me.

Good talk with Jeff tonight and may have found some solutions to my problems. New stock is going to help. Also cant put MBUS on front sight...gas block gets to hot and can cause it to melt, also it is to low to work properly.

tgibson · « **Reply #27 on:** November 16, 2009, 09:17:29 PM »

Quote from: agunforeachhand on November 16, 2009, 01:05:57 PM

And just what does that mean sir LOL

I just have a notion that things might get interesting on this thread

EDGE · « **Reply #28 on:** November 17, 2009, 08:30:37 AM »

If it were me, I would become an expert with the iron sights while saving my pennies for a quality optic.

zona5101 · « **Reply #29 on:** November 17, 2009, 08:48:39 AM »

Quote from: EDGE on November 17, 2009, 08:30:37 AM

If it were me, I would become an expert with the iron sights while saving my pennies for a quality optic.

What? You mean actually shoot guns?

EDGE · « **Reply #30 on:** November 17, 2009, 09:31:46 AM »

A novel concept......I know!

zona5101 · « **Reply #31 on:** November 17, 2009, 10:42:35 AM »

Quote from: EDGE on November 17, 2009, 09:31:46 AM

A novel concept......I know!

TrooperBrian · « **Reply #32 on:** November 17, 2009, 10:55:01 AM »

Quote from: zona5101 on November 17, 2009, 10:42:35 AM

That picture begs one question..

HOW!?

tgibson · « **Reply #33 on:** November 17, 2009, 12:01:19 PM »

Quote from: EDGE on November 17, 2009, 08:30:37 AM

If it were me, I would become an expert with the iron sights while saving my pennies for a quality optic.

NO NO NO!! Practicing is highly over rated. I'm a firm believer of buying your way to the top!!! Isn't that how it works??? Just go buy the good stuff and you are a good shooter?!?! (as long as you can just walk around with all the cool stuff and don't actually have to shoot right!?!?!)

Adios,
TG

EDGE · « **Reply #34 on:** November 17, 2009, 01:15:53 PM »

Quote from: tgibson on November 17, 2009, 12:01:19 PM

NO NO NO!! Practicing is highly over rated. I'm a firm believer of buying your way to the top!!! Isn't that how it works??? Just go buy the good stuff and you are a good shooter?!?! (as long as you can just walk around with all the cool stuff and don't actually have to shoot right!?!?!)
Adios,
TG

Well, if that's the case, then you win!!!

tgibson · « **Reply #35 on:** November 17, 2009, 01:47:50 PM »

Quote from: EDGE on November 17, 2009, 01:15:53 PM

Well, if that's the case, then you win!!!

You know what they say!?!? YOU GOTTA LOOK FAST TO GO FAST!!!!

Adios,
TG

tgibson · « **Reply #36 on:** November 17, 2009, 01:50:58 PM »

Edge,
Just to be clear, when I said "as long as YOU can just walk around with all the cool stuff and don't actually have to shoot right!?!?!" I didn't mean you, I meant the guy buing all of the expensive toys.

Adios,
TG

Jeff · « **Reply #37 on:** November 17, 2009, 02:27:47 PM »

Way OT here. Lets bring it back in please.

EDGE · « **Reply #38 on:** November 17, 2009, 02:58:51 PM »

I know what you meant Travis. I was giving you a hard time because of all your fancy gear.......but I'm not far behind!

As to NcStar optics.................to get back on track.........................maybe some day they will be on par with Trijicon, but right now, I'd rather save my money and buy the Trijicon. The last time I looked through an NcStar optic it was no where near as clear and bright as a Trijicon.

Jeff · « **Reply #39 on:** November 17, 2009, 03:36:18 PM »

I'm sure they are far from Trijicon quality. I guess the real question is are they usable and reasonably reliable. I've used a variety of Tasco scopes for many years and usually they are good enough (worth what I paid). NCStar purchased a Tasco plant in China so they may be about what Tasco is or used to be.

I am building a short barreled .22lr upper and won't spend a lot on optics for it. This may be the sweet spot for an NCStar scope. Only time will tell though.

I'd put an ACOG or Nightforce or younamethecoolbrand on every rifle if I could afford it. I can't so I sometimes have to settle for less than I want.

TrooperBrian · « **Reply #40 on:** November 17, 2009, 04:33:55 PM »

I'm sure their fixed optic scopes are just fine, but anything with a turret is pure garbage. It costs at least $800 to make a decent turret, so don't expect anything $160 to yield drastic results. If I were to spin my turrets, I cant even feel it moving until 8MOA of adjustment. Its great for *almost* precision shots closer than 100 yards.

But closer than 100 yards, why don't you just hit them with a rock? Or take off the scope and throw that?

Kcboats · « **Reply #41 on:** November 17, 2009, 06:28:49 PM »

Yeah Jeff, I see what you mean per our conversation this morning! Oh well brother, what can you do?

agunforeachhand · « **Reply #42 on:** November 17, 2009, 08:15:02 PM »

And just wtf does that mean?

And yet once again KC shut your pie hole

Jeff · « **Reply #43 on:** November 17, 2009, 08:32:51 PM »

TrooperBrian, I call BS on your last post. You have had experience with one NCStar scope and you're calling them all shit? And WTF is the $800 turret crap? I had a SuperSniper (Tasco) that had great turrets on it.

The question is "are they any good" not "are they the best" so the elitism isn't really needed or wantd (at least by me).

luvmy45 · « **Reply #44 on:** November 17, 2009, 10:38:02 PM »

I love my super sniper scope, cost me $200 and I can box that scope just like any high dollar scope. Wish I had a Nightforce? you bethca!

Now I do have a cheap tasco (I know super snipers are tasco) 6 x 24 scope on my 10/22 that I use for plinking with, and it's junk, the turrets are none repeatable for a zero, and the glass isn't that great.. but I love it on that gun, and my kids like it so it's worth it.

Now if NCStar has some usuable glass for my 10/22 I'd be interested in checking it out, Jeff let me know if you start selling the NC line, might have try'em

Thanks,

bk

Jeff · « **Reply #45 on:** November 17, 2009, 10:54:42 PM »

FWIW, I got tired of the NCStar crapping and I just ordered this one. First it goes on my AR22 upper. If it's decent on that I'll try the .223 AR. If it's decent on that it'll get the 6.8 treatment. If it passes that then it'll get some .458 action. If it hold up to that then I'm sure you'll have nothing to worry about. If I break it on one of those then we know where it's tolerance is. And I'll send it back for warranty repair.

Honestly, I'll be happy if it's decent on the AR22. That's an upper that doesn't need real quality glass on it. Ever. Especially the new one I'm building. More on that later.

agunforeachhand · « **Reply #46 on:** November 17, 2009, 10:55:36 PM »

Quote from: luvmy45 on November 17, 2009, 10:38:02 PM

I love my super sniper scope, cost me $200 and I can box that scope just like any high dollar scope. Wish I had a Nightforce? you bethca!

Now I do have a cheap tasco (I know super snipers are tasco) 6 x 24 scope on my 10/22 that I use for plinking with, and it's junk, the turrets are none repeatable for a zero, and the glass isn't that great.. but I love it on that gun, and my kids like it so it's worth it.

Now if NCStar has some usuable glass for my 10/22 I'd be interested in checking it out, Jeff let me know if you start selling the NC line, might have try'em

Thanks,

Aint nothing wrong with a tasco lol it does the job great on my 10/22. Besides some of us can't afford to go out and buy the most expesive scopes we see. That is why IMO NCstar and Barska are great alternatives. Would I put them on my hunting rifle , probably not. But then I don't need to because I have a weaver on it. But for plinking and just all around fun there is nothing wrong with them.

I agree Jeff if you start selling NC's then let me know I would really like to check some out.

bk

agunforeachhand · « **Reply #47 on:** November 17, 2009, 10:59:19 PM »

Quote from: Jeff on November 17, 2009, 10:54:42 PM

FWIW, I got tired of the NCStar crapping and I just ordered this one. First it goes on my AR22 upper. If it's decent on that I'll try the .223 AR. If it's decent on that it'll get the 6.8 treatment. If it passes that then it'll get some .458 action. If it hold up to that then I'm sure you'll have nothing to worry about. If I break it on one of those then we know where it's tolerance is. And I'll send it back for warranty repair.

Honestly, I'll be happy if it's decent on the AR22. That's an upper that doesn't need real quality glass on it. Ever. Especially the new one I'm building. More on that later.

Jeff let me know how it works out. It looks pretty nice and you can't beat the price.

This is the one I have been eyeballing for my AR I think for what I use my rifle for it would be perfect. Pop cans watch out

http://www.barska.com/ac10838.html

TrooperBrian · « **Reply #48 on:** November 18, 2009, 01:00:07 AM »

Quote from: Jeff on November 17, 2009, 08:32:51 PM

TrooperBrian, I call BS on your last post. You have had experience with one NCStar scope and you're calling them all shit? And WTF is the $800 turret crap? I had a SuperSniper (Tasco) that had great turrets on it.

The question is "are they any good" not "are they the best" so the elitism isn't really needed or wantd (at least by me).

Its not just me, I've both seen and heard similar experiences all across the spectrum. A quality turret takes a lot of machining and precision fitting, $800 is a good baseline.

J Mack · « **Reply #49 on:** November 18, 2009, 08:08:59 AM »

Quote from: TrooperBrian on November 18, 2009, 01:00:07 AM

A quality turret takes a lot of machining and precision fitting, $800 is a good baseline.

luvmy45 · « **Reply #50 on:** November 18, 2009, 08:33:16 AM »

Quote from: TrooperBrian on November 18, 2009, 01:00:07 AM

Its not just me, I've both seen and heard similar experiences all across the spectrum. A quality turret takes a lot of machining and precision fitting, $800 is a good baseline.

Where does the $800 number come from? Bushnell, Super Sniper, Millet and others make decent scopes with turrets that are reliable and well under $800. The Super Sniper is $350 even comes with a Mil-Dot system and works great, some of the Bushnells can be had for $200 for example.

These are not nightforce equivilents, but are decent scopes for the money. The Bushnell 3200 for example is a fine scope in it's price range and does well.

bk

carharttfarmer · « **Reply #51 on:** November 18, 2009, 09:22:36 AM »

dont forget the nikon buckmasters they have a couple that work great
i have had the oppisite experince all my 180 to 300 dollar scopes have never gave me anytrouble even with all the bouncing aroud the get on the atv and in the jeep but the one 800 dollar scope i have broke one the first time i used it

agunforeachhand · « **Reply #52 on:** November 18, 2009, 10:02:26 AM »

Guys give trooperbrian a break, he chases zombies all day so he has to spend $800 on a scope

Besides I know my weaver classic didn't cost no $800 and it works just fine IMO

fj40mojo · « **Reply #53 on:** November 18, 2009, 10:05:47 AM »

Quote from: J Mack on November 18, 2009, 08:08:59 AM

Me too!

Jeff · « **Reply #54 on:** November 18, 2009, 10:08:17 AM »

OK, TrooperBrian, do you have any proof to go along with your opinion? How's this: the Leupold M1 turret is arguably a great turret if not one of the best. I just went to the Leupold Custom Shop and added M1 turrets to a VX1 scope. Cost for the upgrade? $59.99 for each turret. Cost for the complete scope? $369.97.

$800? Wrong. Quod erat demonstrandum.

TrooperBrian · « **Reply #55 on:** November 18, 2009, 10:34:59 AM »

Damn, get off your highhorses. Not everything in life is about proving everyone else wrong for crying out loud. I'm saying look for what one would consider a high-end scope. The Burris XTR and the Leupold Mark II are the beginning of what people would consider to be on the higher spectrum of scopes, and they both run right around $800. I'm not saying its a solid baseline, so don't start pulling your fancy latin shit already!

Jeff · « **Reply #56 on:** November 18, 2009, 10:42:43 AM »

You started this shit with the standard elitism crap. This is a thread about NCStar and NOT about high end scopes. No one here would ever have considered an NCStar high end. Just because you got a bad scope doesn't make this about high end scopes (BTW, did you send it back for warranty?). Thanks for letting us know your opinion about NCStar scopes. Your opinion about high end scopes is irrelevant to this discussion.

J Mack · « **Reply #57 on:** November 18, 2009, 10:50:52 AM »

Quote from: TrooperBrian on November 18, 2009, 10:34:59 AM

so don't start pulling your fancy latin shit already!

sic don't satus tractus vestri somnium latin shit iam!

fj40mojo · « **Reply #58 on:** November 18, 2009, 01:22:48 PM »

If you don't have anything ~~nice~~ intelligent to say then don't say anything at all.

That being said I should STFU!

carharttfarmer · « **Reply #59 on:** November 18, 2009, 02:04:13 PM »

hell i have a burris xtr id sell for 625 been mounted once fired less than 20rnds of course you would have to have it sent back because of the chunk of metal stuck to the inside lens

tgibson · « **Reply #60 on:** November 18, 2009, 03:37:12 PM »

Quote from: J Mack on November 18, 2009, 08:08:59 AM

Adios,
TG

agunforeachhand · « **Reply #61 on:** November 18, 2009, 04:36:54 PM »

Quote from: TrooperBrian on November 18, 2009, 10:34:59 AM

Damn, get off your highhorses. Not everything in life is about proving everyone else wrong for crying out loud. I'm saying look for what one would consider a high-end scope. The Burris XTR and the Leupold Mark II are the beginning of what people would consider to be on the higher spectrum of scopes, and they both run right around $800. I'm not saying its a solid baseline, so don't start pulling your fancy latin shit already!

Lol did someone find pee in his cheerios? Rember Trooper you have got to have thick skin here, even when you are WRONG

TrooperBrian · « **Reply #62 on:** November 18, 2009, 05:51:18 PM »

Quote from: agunforeachhand on November 18, 2009, 04:36:54 PM

Lol did someone find pee in his cheerios? Rember Trooper you have got to have thick skin here, even when you are WRONG

Someone must have, I've been on the brink of death this last week.

I have no problem with being wrong, but when it feels like I'm no longer entitled to my opinion, I'll have something to say about it. I still appreciate and respect the opinions of others, in moderation.

agunforeachhand · « **Reply #63 on:** November 18, 2009, 06:49:47 PM »

Quote from: TrooperBrian on November 18, 2009, 05:51:18 PM

Someone must have, I've been on the brink of death this last week.

I have no problem with being wrong, but when it feels like I'm no longer entitled to my opinion, I'll have something to say about it. I still appreciate and respect the opinions of others, in moderation.

Lol, pee in your cheerios really shouldn't make you sick just pissy. I have 3 kids I know.

Hope you feel better Trooper

911InsideJob · « **Reply #64 on:** November 19, 2009, 10:20:02 AM »

Thus far, the (what I know to be a cheap ass scope) has performed very well, exceeding my expectations. And yes, I know how to use my irons too, I just can see where I'm hitting my targets at 100+ (unless they pop when they're hit

, so I like to have some magnification too. I have been making recent attempts to go longer distances. I have a .30-06 my granddad gave me; he bought it in 1967 (Golden State Arms Co.), and attached an Aquarius 3-9 on it (this scope is also rather old, notice how when you read "Aquarius," you were like a "what?!") The O-rings are prunes, and the nitrogen is long gone, but damn that thing still hits my targets at 200! I would like to upgrade the scope, but I also enjoy the sentimentality of still having my granddad's original scope on it, so I have yet to do so. My apologies for getting off topic there. Anyhow, as I told another member recently, I guess the final test for the NCStar is the one of time...

fj40mojo · « **Reply #65 on:** November 19, 2009, 11:24:24 AM »

What action is your Golden State Arms .30-'06? FWIW that scope will do fine until the day you pull up on a deer or elk, and then sure as shit it will fog up on you! Keep us updated on the NCstar, I'd be interested to know just how much abuse it will take.

911InsideJob · « **Reply #66 on:** November 19, 2009, 04:31:45 PM »

Quote from: fj40mojo on November 19, 2009, 11:24:24 AM

What action is your Golden State Arms .30-'06? FWIW that scope will do fine until the day you pull up on a deer or elk, and then sure as shit it will fog up on you! Keep us updated on the NCstar, I'd be interested to know just how much abuse it will take.

***OFF TOPIC WARNING*** the .30-06 is a mauser action. I have read reports online that Golden State Arms firearms were not that good, but a gun given to me by my granddad means more than an online review. Also, the thing shoots flawlessly! I have had that thought before (about being out hunting when the going is about to get good), but when I pulled up on a European Razorback on mine and my bros property in Paso Robles, CA, it didn't fog up! Must of been that beautiful Cali beach weather! Might be a little different here I'm assuming...

fj40mojo · « **Reply #67 on:** November 20, 2009, 12:44:49 AM »

Quote from: 911InsideJob on November 19, 2009, 04:31:45 PM

***OFF TOPIC WARNING*** the .30-06 is a mauser action. I have read reports online that Golden State Arms firearms were not that good, but a gun given to me by my granddad means more than an online review. Also, the thing shoots flawlessly! I have had that thought before (about being out hunting when the going is about to get good), but when I pulled up on a European Razorback on mine and my bros property in Paso Robles, CA, it didn't fog up! Must of been that beautiful Cali beach weather! Might be a little different here I'm assuming...

It's your thread, so you have free reign to wander as far off topic as you see fit. I asked cuz I have a GSA Mauser that my uncle passed down to me. It's a 6.5x55 Swede on a '98 action. Is yours a commercial or military action, GSA imported both? He bought it as a bare action (commercial aka "Santa Barbara action" made in Spain), put a Douglas 6.5 1:9 barrel on it and shot the holy crap out of it since 1966. He was not reserved about his handloads that he ran in it either and it has faired just fine. I'm currently having it rebarreled as the throat was pretty well gone out of the old girl. The only bad thing on the rifle as far as I can tell is the weak alloy bottom metal, mine was broke just in front of the trigger guard. funny story, my uncle handed me a piece of military bottom metal 4 years ago and had me reshape the trigger guard and polish it for bluing and low and behold it came back to me albeit in the same condition I sent it to him in. I had to do a little inletting and it will get blued along with the rest of the barreled action before it comes back from the gunsmith. I can't wait to get it back. It's gettin the full treatment, action squared, bolt face trued, lugs lapped, 6.5x55 Match chamber from a PT&G reamer, and a 1:8 Douglas Premium Air Guaged barrel. I've already refinished the old Fajen stock that my uncle dropped it in 40+ years ago. I think I'll name her "Lena" after my granny. Come to Idaho and hunt deer and elk in Oct and Nov and you may have a different story to tell about that scope, seriously I'd look into someplace that would fix it. I'll post pics here as soon as I get her back from the smith.

911InsideJob · « **Reply #68 on:** November 20, 2009, 08:12:40 AM »

i've got to be quite honest here, i don't know the difference between military and commercial actions? what i do know, is that my grandpa didn't shoot it that much. everything seems to be in great functioning order. if you could explain the differences, that would be great. thank you much.

tgibson · « **Reply #69 on:** November 20, 2009, 09:31:02 AM »

Maybe it is time to start a new thread. Not that I don't want to read what you guys have to say about M1 actions, but when I get an e mail notice that there has been a post on this thread, I want to see this

this,

and this,

. Not this

and this

.

HAHAHA!! That cracked me up.
Adios,
TG

agunforeachhand · « **Reply #70 on:** November 20, 2009, 01:40:14 PM »

Quote from: tgibson on November 20, 2009, 09:31:02 AM

Maybe it is time to start a new thread. Not that I don't want to read what you guys have to say about M1 actions, but when I get an e mail notice that there has been a post on this thread, I want to see this this, and this, . Not this and this .

HAHAHA!! That cracked me up.
Adios,
TG

Hows the weather today?

Did you know that iron sights are far better then these futuristic shitty things you all call scopes.

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tgibson · « **Reply #71 on:** November 20, 2009, 01:52:03 PM »

MUCH BETTER!!!!
Adios,
TG

agunforeachhand · « **Reply #72 on:** November 20, 2009, 01:58:23 PM »

BTW from the standing position I can pee around 10ft to hit a burning fire

J Mack · « **Reply #73 on:** November 20, 2009, 02:27:17 PM »

Quote from: tgibson on November 20, 2009, 09:31:02 AM

Maybe it is time to start a new thread. Not that I don't want to read what you guys have to say about M1 actions, but when I get an e mail notice that there has been a post on this thread, I want to see this this, and this, . Not this and this .
HAHAHA!! That cracked me up.
Adios,
TG

Don't forget

agunforeachhand · « **Reply #74 on:** November 20, 2009, 02:30:37 PM »

Quote from: J Mack on November 20, 2009, 02:27:17 PM

Don't forget

Jmack are you beating your meat? LMFAO

J Mack · « **Reply #75 on:** November 20, 2009, 03:08:09 PM »

Quote from: agunforeachhand on November 20, 2009, 02:30:37 PM

Jmack are you beating your meat? LMFAO

or a "dead horse" same thing when your my age

agunforeachhand · « **Reply #76 on:** November 20, 2009, 03:30:48 PM »

Quote from: J Mack on November 20, 2009, 03:08:09 PM

or a "dead horse" same thing when your my age

Great that's what I have to look forward too

fj40mojo · « **Reply #77 on:** November 20, 2009, 03:46:28 PM »

Quote from: 911InsideJob on November 20, 2009, 08:12:40 AM

i've got to be quite honest here, i don't know the difference between military and commercial actions? what i do know, is that my grandpa didn't shoot it that much. everything seems to be in great functioning order. if you could explain the differences, that would be great. thank you much.

The military action has a lump at the back of the ejection port that is milled for stripper clips to facilitate the action being loaded quickly from the top. Commercial models do not have this feature. A military action will likely have markings like an eagle carrying a swastika on the forward top portion of the receiver while the commercial will have a nicer polish and bluing. The barrel profile will likely be different too unless the military action has already been rebarreled.

Now, where'd that horse go, gots me some more beatin to do!

Jeff · « **Reply #78 on:** November 20, 2009, 08:56:26 PM »

The scope I ordered is in. It looks nice. I'll have it at the BBQ tomorrow.

meinidaho · « **Reply #79 on:** November 22, 2009, 09:59:32 AM »

Jeff, My boy loves the looks of the those little scopes. He thinks the ultimate is short, light, and tacticool.

For me, it boils down to robust and dependable. If the cheap scope can be dialed in and then holds zero, that is good enough. If a person needs to see before sunrise and after sunset, then a more expensive scope will probably be necessary.

Bottom line, is I may have to get one from you to try.

Dale

Kcboats · « **Reply #80 on:** November 22, 2009, 10:22:25 AM »

Shot great with the Ruger 10/22...no problems what so ever. Now it is moved up to the AR, but have to wait till I get back to take her to the range!

popsgunner · « **Reply #81 on:** November 22, 2009, 05:16:16 PM »

It has been our experience that even the least expensive optics, mounted properly ca deliver the goods, I have to guns with FM optics on them, agunforeachhand shot them as well as technique and we were all pounding targets at almost 100 yards, technique was even killing the running zombie pumpkin. Good shooter ! The biggest issue I've seen is the yahoo pulling the trigger !

Kcboats · « **Reply #82 on:** November 23, 2009, 09:27:37 AM »

Lol, excellent point Pops...usually it is the guy (like me) who tends to jerk the trigger instead of squeezing it. But I gotta know, RUNNING ZOMBIE PUMPKIN??!!! That has got to have some pictures with it!!!

agunforeachhand · « **Reply #83 on:** November 23, 2009, 11:45:39 AM »

Quote from: Kcboats on November 23, 2009, 09:27:37 AM

Lol, excellent point Pops...usually it is the guy (like me) who tends to jerk the trigger instead of squeezing it. But I gotta know, RUNNING ZOMBIE PUMPKIN??!!! That has got to have some pictures with it!!!

It was snowing man you could hardly see the damn running zombie pumpkin let alone take a pic of it. You should have just been there. Fun day indeed

popsgunner · « **Reply #84 on:** November 23, 2009, 06:25:39 PM »

I don't know KC, check with Technique, he may be able to shed some light on that, he was pretty busy however.

Kcboats · « **Reply #85 on:** November 29, 2009, 12:20:24 PM »

Okay, worked great on the AR...but for one little problem. Even with the scope mounted as far back on the rail as possible it just sits to far forward to get a good sight picture (Jeff has seen the problem). Not sure what to do about that? Jeff suggested getting a new stock (Magpul MOE) which tended to help a little but still sits a little to far forward (Jeff and I put one on)...for some reason the magpul is a little shorter than the Tapco. Also with it sitting that far back I can not mount the MBUS and would have to carry it in my kit (not a big deal) so if the scope failed I would have to pull it off, then put on the MBUS. But still it worked great and held on target just fine! Now, I wonder if a "smaller" person would have that same problem? So this scope may end up on the 10/22...just because the sight picture is easier with my other scope.