Topic: "Let's try as hard as we can to f*** everything up"

[JollyRoger]

Rant On!! 
I'm all for father's being involved in their children's life.  I think that a lack of a real father figure generally screws up the American family structure and the kids that grow up fatherless.  But why are some people out there who are hell bent on changing everything around?

I work with a guy who said the happiest times in his life were when we worked a schedule that allowed him to be with his (young) kids nearly all day.  But he was still the "man", brought home the bread and what not.

Soon they're going to start issuing panzy vaccinations to infant babies boys.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20071006/us_time/fatherhood20

Rant off!

Then again, I dont have kids yet...so fathers out there if I'm wrong or being unnecessarily insensitive feel free to flame on.

[Idaho_Gun_Nut]

One of my best friends raised his twins while his wife was the main income winner.  He did some work from home but it wasn't much and he did it at night when his wife was home at night with the kids.  He wouldn't trade it for anything, but I think his wife was envious that he got to spend that time with them during the days and not her.

[Spiff]

I've changed an infinite number of dirty diapers in my day. I've left work to run and pick up sick kids at day care, I've attended countless parent teacher conferences and done everything else that can be associated with raising kids (I even went with my oldest daughter one time to buy a bra... ).

If a guy would allow his little one to run around in a shitty diaper 'cause "It's not MANLY to change diapers." he needs to have a serious reality check on what it really means to be a Man, not to mention a Daddy.

[Farlo]

As far as I'm concerned, if a guy doesn't have the resources to provide for a mother and child(ren), KEEP IT IN YOUR FARKING PANTS!

A man busts his ass to do what he needs to do to make sure his kids are provided for.  He should be ashamed if someone else does it for him.

[pv74]

Rant On!! 
I'm all for father's being involved in their children's life.  I think that a lack of a real father figure generally screws up the American family structure and the kids that grow up fatherless.  But why are some people out there who are hell bent on changing everything around?

I work with a guy who said the happiest times in his life were when we worked a schedule that allowed him to be with his (young) kids nearly all day.  But he was still the "man", brought home the bread and what not.

Soon they're going to start issuing panzy vaccinations to infant babies boys.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20071006/us_time/fatherhood20

Rant off!

Then again, I dont have kids yet...so fathers out there if I'm wrong or being unnecessarily insensitive feel free to flame on.

You don't have kids yet...

I got a few days off when my daughter was born...but I will not stoop to being a Mr. Mom. I am a man and my job is to teach the not so soft aspects of life. Like how to change the oil in the car or put the smack down on a shady landlord.

[pv74]

I've changed an infinite number of dirty diapers in my day. I've left work to run and pick up sick kids at day care, I've attended countless parent teacher conferences and done everything else that can be associated with raising kids (I even went with my oldest daughter one time to buy a bra... ).

If a guy would allow his little one to run around in a shitty diaper 'cause "It's not MANLY to change diapers." he needs to have a serious reality check on what it really means to be a Man, not to mention a Daddy.

Any man who lets his kid run around in a shitty diaper needs his ass kicked.

[NGO]

Not much of a man if you can't handle changing a diaper, feed your kid or give them a bath.

I suppose IF I had a wife that could make a couple 6 figures I would be willing to stay home.  But if it was only a couple 20 or 30 thousand more I wouldn't stay home.

I think it is a natural role for the man to be primary provider (and protector). I see how it confuses the family dynamics when it is the other way around. I have an in-law that the woman is a lawyer and  makes a lot more than the LEO husband. He feels emasculated around her and makes up for it by having affairs....just need to prove he was a man has been the finding...    I also see how it has effected their three sons. They just ain't right when man woman dynamics are involved.  My younger, than them, daughters are able to tell them to do something and they jump, my daughters think it is funny as all get out. They are whipped before they even have a girl friend.

[JollyRoger]

Just to clarify...I'm not saying a guy shouldnt change a messy diaper, or give a bath or help mom out in every way possible.  But being a full time Mr. Mom seems backward.