Topic: OC day posted on OC.org forum..

[John Wolver]

Apparently you can't see the big picture.  The event may have gone fine but the media coverage sucked.  All in all a negative as far as media is concerned.  I believe that the OC cause was hurt, as well as all firearms causes, by the interviews.  They made gun owners look stupid and OC crazy.  The media is not our friend and they do not behave like we want.

Sure, invite the enemy and expect them to treat you fairly.  I guarantee you they will target your weakest people.  You will have no control over what they use.  They will find some people there that will be scared and make the whole thing seem stupid and reckless.  You will have no control over what they use.  This tactic will only work if the media outfit is on your side.

I hope this is better handled than the last few times.  Remember, you will have no control over what they use.  Your only hope here is to have ALL your people refuse to talk to the media and point them to your spokesman.

True, but it seems that there are far more associated with OC than other firearms related groups.  The OC group seems to have more people in it looking for a fight than teaching opportunities.

Jeff I think you missed the big picture and yet you said it in the first place, The Event Went Fine!  yes the media kinda screwed them on the coverage, and as i said the only way to combat that is with making recordings of our own, recording the people they interview as well as they do it, and posting it.  What we can do is have our spokesman stick with the media, which with more help availabe, should be easy.  As for OC group looking for a fight, this is not true.  The real problem is that all our rights are being infringed, and we have the right to open carry and yet are hassled when we do, which is wrong.  You may not choose to open carry, but I do assume you support it, if you support the 2nd amendment.  This is about all of our rights.  Some of us choose to carry and be seen, others choose to conceal yet still carry, yet others choose to do neither but they still support what is going on.  That is what is needed, support for our rights.

[John Wolver]

I totally agree with Jeff. The media will skew the event and talking points.

RULE 3: "Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy." Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)

RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

RULE 10: "If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive." Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management's wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.)

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

rule 3- you handle this by bring the topic back to where it should be. 
rule 5- if they want to start doing any ridiculing, we will counter this as best as we can.
rule 10- we will not be the violent ones, we dont carry because we are violent, and if that is what is thought, it needs to be un-thought now.
rule 12- we will not leave anyone who is not comfortable alone with the media or anyone else.

[Jeff]

The big picture is one little faction (OC) made all gun owners look stupid and crazy. Your event went fine but you did harm to us all. If you do that again then I will become an opponent.

[John Wolver]

The big picture is one little faction (OC) made all gun owners look stupid and crazy. Your event went fine but you did harm to us all. If you do that again then I will become an opponent.

Uninformed, sure, stupid, no.  Crazy? how so? they didnt shoot up the place or cause a problem.  They stood up for their rights.  The event went great.  What harm was done? seriously?  They got the message out that the law in idaho allows open carry.  And Jeff if you are not part of the solution, your part of the problem.  You already sound like an opponent.  What we need are positives, not negatives.  So please, be helpful. 

[zona5101]

I looked for a link to the Colmbes show and while doing so reread many of the OC threads here on BShooters. One thing I noticed was directly in front of the zoo event a bunch of OCs joined Boise Shooters, hyped their event then disapeared. 

[eddymunster]

I carry concealed for a reason. I don't want to draw attention to myself. I carry to protect myself. I do not want to make a statement to anyone. If you OC in the general population that's great for you but, you are asking for confrontation IMO. That's not my thing.

[Jeff]

It's time for this thread to end.  Please take your OC message somewhere else.  It's not welcome here.