Author Topic: Handguns at Joes (Read 3614 times)

WTF · « **Reply #50 on:** April 03, 2009, 07:36:58 PM »

lsgibb,

Tolerance, respect, and an Individuals *Right* is the bottom line here. Whether a person chooses to OC or CC is their option, pushing your will and how things should be, or what you think is *right* is not. if that were the case, I would've been run out of this place a long time ago because of my Views on Hunting and Animals in general.

Most gun owners especially in Idaho are hunters including members of this board, And I find killing animals for fun and sport quite appalling, with the exception of putting food on the table. But I don't go around pushing my thoughts or demonize the members here and how they should conduct themselves. I chose to tolerate or ignore it because I recognize it as their *Right*, and for me to jump their shit for shooting yotes, rabbits, whistle pigs, or even cats for fun (I love my cats) would be wrong for me.

Their is also the chance you're a Hunter, and I could start a "Why kill a harmless innocent animal, when you can buy a steak in the local store Gun Debate", but I won't, cause I love my Guns, and respect others rights.

So, if you see someone OC'ing in wallyworld, or a grocery store, you can choose to ignore it, Tolerate it, Respect it, or cry about it, But, if the act of someone OC'ing offends you, and you join a message board that shares one common goal (Guns, and Gun Rights) then your in the wrong company of friends.

I need a Bailout for my 2 cents please.

Jeff · « **Reply #51 on:** April 03, 2009, 08:56:47 PM »

I think Isgibb decided to leave. Oh well.

BTW, I only joke about shooting cats.

Bill, Idaho · « **Reply #52 on:** April 03, 2009, 09:25:39 PM »

I'm not going to get into the middle of this, but I just got back from Wallyworld in Nampa (the one on Franklin). I saw a rather strange looking person, by my standards. Male, about 25 (maybe), 300 pounds (definitely!), 5' 8", wearing all black BDU's of some sort, bloused pants, into brown hunting boots. No identifying patches/insignia. A lightweight nylon "duty" belt, with a way-too-long drop-leg holster, the actual holster about knee height. So low that he would have had to lean down to reach the gun. I could not determine what type of pistol was in the holster, but from about 5 feet, it appeared real, maybe a single stack 1911 of some variety. The pistol looked well used, with a capital W. I could not see anything else on the belt (such as a spare mag, cuffs,or a badge-for Gods sake) etc.
The kids hair hadn't seen a comb, (or shampoo) in many moon. The clothes were filthy. He was wandering around the electronics department.
My job (cop) has taught me, probably way more than the average citizen, to really look at people. Maybe a better way to say it is I look at people differently than a citizen. This guy got my attention.
OC is legal, but so is spandex. ( I once saw a bumper sticker that said "spandex is a priviledge, not a right")
I'm just sayin'.

bourneshooter · « **Reply #53 on:** April 03, 2009, 09:47:31 PM »

Some people shouldn't OC. Thats a fact. This guy Bill, Idaho saw is one of them.

If you don't know how to shower then how would you know what direction to point the gun?

High Wall · « **Reply #54 on:** April 04, 2009, 03:29:16 AM »

Quote from: Jeff on April 03, 2009, 08:56:47 PM

I think Isgibb decided to leave. Oh well.

BTW, I only joke about shooting cats.

Nothing wrong with shooting cats, as long as the right cats get shot.

Too bad if isgibb decides to leave, nothing wrong with a little diversity of opinion. His heart seems basically in the right place, perhaps some constructive discussion would give him a different perspective. I had to wonder about the rifle in the pickup window remark. Sounds like he might be a little embarrassed about his own interest in firearms, at least in certain company.

fj40mojo · « **Reply #55 on:** April 04, 2009, 07:39:10 AM »

Quote from: Jeff on April 03, 2009, 08:56:47 PM

I think Isgibb decided to leave. Oh well.

BTW, I only joke about shooting cats.

Ditto....don't shoot the caller-shoot the coyote.

ballardw · « **Reply #56 on:** April 04, 2009, 08:06:15 AM »

Quote from: Bill, Idaho on April 03, 2009, 09:25:39 PM

So low that he would have had to lean down to reach the gun. I could not determine what type of pistol was in the holster, but from about 5 feet, it appeared real, maybe a single stack 1911 of some variety. The pistol looked well used, with a capital W. I could not see anything else on the belt (such as a spare mag, cuffs,or a badge-for Gods sake) etc.

Maybe a Daisy BB/Pellet gun?

Bill, Idaho · « **Reply #57 on:** April 04, 2009, 08:41:45 AM »

I don't think it was a BB gun, but I wouldn't rule out airsoft. It looked real.

e11charlie · « **Reply #58 on:** April 04, 2009, 09:01:57 AM »

You are right guys like this give the everyday citizen a bad name. If he is legal to carry it it is his right. IF we start saying that guy shouldnt carry because he looks like a scumbag, we are shooting ourselves in the foot. Besides the drop leg holster I was carrying was not that low and I dont weigh 300 lbs.

9Shooter · « **Reply #59 on:** April 04, 2009, 09:15:52 AM »

Quote from: Bill, Idaho on April 04, 2009, 08:41:45 AM

I don't think it was a BB gun, but I wouldn't rule out airsoft. It looked real.

This was my first thought based on your description. They make some pretty accurate looking airsoft stuff these days.

luvmy45 · « **Reply #60 on:** April 04, 2009, 10:15:06 AM »

Quote from: zona5101 on April 03, 2009, 09:23:04 AM

Really? I have never ever ever in years of reading KABA and other 2A news aggregators heard of any BG oc'ing. BGs, unless they're ex-poolice, don't even use holsters. I see someone open carry I look to see what they are carrying, like "OMG, is that a Kimber Desert Warrior! Ooh night sites!!! Hummppt. But the holster has got to go - doesn't even match the shoes."

I don't see people open carrying vary oftern in the stores that I'm at... and it is situation dependent.

If I'm out of the city, then I don't really pay any attention to open carry people.

If I'm at the range, well,

I kinda expect to see open carry.

If I'm in wally world, where I don't see open carry, then if I see a gun, I go see how they are dress... well dress, leather OWB holster, no big deal.

One day I was in there and I caught a guy concealed carrying... that didn't raise my threat level at all, because he was with his wife and kids, and he was wearing tan 5.11 shorts with his Glock ensemble at the time with a black t-shirt that wasn't quite long enough to conceal his gun.

I think it's personal experience, the more you experience it the less it effects you.

Brian

Kcboats · « **Reply #61 on:** April 04, 2009, 07:29:24 PM »

I saw a Police Officer in Boise yesterday driving an undercover Honda Accord (Silver in color) with baggy pants, long sweater, vans shoes, and the pulled down low beanie on his head. Looked like a typical gang-banger but was just an officer doing undercover work with the youth in Boise. When I was still an officer this would have totaled up to a PC stop, and I would have been wrong. Maybe this guy had been out hanging in the woods for the weekend (getting wood, hunting, whatever) and the wife said "we need milk"...so rather than being bored he stopped in electronics to check the goodies. Never judge a book by its cover is my motto!! After all...look at Jeff.

GrayWolf · « **Reply #62 on:** April 06, 2009, 08:53:19 PM »

I think that, as long as we obey the law, we have a right to carry -- open or not -- anywhere we damn well please. I don't care if it's Joe's, or Schoe's, or any other worthless place! They can bite me!

I'm getting sick and tired of individuals and organizations telling us what to do as if we're robots!!

luvmy45 · « **Reply #63 on:** April 06, 2009, 10:40:44 PM »

Well the Law says that as a owner of personal property, I can ask you to leave my property if you have a gun on you. If you don't' then it's called trespassing.

bk

luvmy45 · « **Reply #64 on:** April 07, 2009, 07:40:00 AM »

That's a good question... and thanks to the clarification to my statement.

Assumptions being what they are, I'll guess that I'm wrong, but take a stab and then go research it.

Land owner should trump everyone. Unless a contract was entered into specifically forbidding or allowing firearms on the premise, at which point the contract would have to be followed.

The building owner would, I think be int he same position, and the contract with the next person in line, which would be the person that owns the franchise AT the said location. would be under the same stipulations that I would again assume trickle down, if the contract made note of such a restriction or allowance.

The corporate Franchise, that I am aware of has no legal claim to the property that their franchise is on, just the name and whatnot. So while they could issue mandates, the local owner that has the invested money, could ignore such restrictions or allowances, but could have his franchise revoked if corporate knew that he/she specifically made a local regulation counter to a corporate rule.

As far as the teller at the counter... hmm, I would say, they are a spokesman for the location and do have the power to ask someone to leave. "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" But most counter jockies are neanderthals that can't even count back change correctly, let alone take a second to look at a customer and notice they would be carrying a gun.

Now, time to hit the books.

Brian

Precise · « **Reply #65 on:** April 07, 2009, 01:34:40 PM »

I've never shopped there, and I'm not going to now. They can have all the rules they want, and just like Hollywood "stars" and others that take positions that restrict Personal Freedoms and Liberties, I'll support those who support Personal Liberties. If I don't shop at a particular store, get to see a movie staring (insert actor's/actress' name here), or if I don't hear a particular group or song, I'm not losing.

broncovan · « **Reply #66 on:** April 07, 2009, 08:30:21 PM »

Quote from: agunforeachhand on March 31, 2009, 09:24:59 AM

Holy crap. Reading all of this I thought I was in the alpha-omega thread

WTF · « **Reply #67 on:** April 07, 2009, 09:37:08 PM »

we just copy and paste from other threads to give the appear the board is active

SNAFU · « **Reply #68 on:** April 07, 2009, 10:44:29 PM »

Quote from: zona5101 on April 07, 2009, 07:55:08 AM

my position would be that all of them could restrict a person's ability to carry a weapon.

And all gunowners "could" take their money elsewhere.

Spiff · « **Reply #69 on:** April 08, 2009, 08:30:43 AM »

Quote from: SNAFU on April 07, 2009, 10:44:29 PM

And all gunowners ~~could~~ "should" take their money elsewhere.

Fixed it for you SNAFU.

Lets face it. If all legal gun owners would vote with their pocket books we wouldn't have to put up with half the shit we do. There are 80 some odd million of us. That has the potential to be one heck of a statement.

Farlo · « **Reply #70 on:** April 08, 2009, 08:54:24 AM »

Here is where I believe you are mistaken:

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I suppose my point to all of this is, the fastest way to lose your rights is to impose your rights on others.

Me open carrying is not imposing my rights on others. It is me exercising a right. Nothing about openly carrying a weapon in a setting where it is legal requires action or a change in behavior by another. However, if I were to grab Joe Schmoe off the street and hand him a Glock and a holster and told to strap it on, that would be imposing on another.

Allow me to take this a little further. Carrying concealed or not carrying at all out of fear of reaction is allowing others to impose their beliefs upon you. You are changing your behavior based upon fear of another. You are being imposed upon.

As far as I'm concerned, you're no troll. All you did was express an opinion. There's nothing wrong with that.

GrayWolf · « **Reply #71 on:** April 08, 2009, 08:37:10 PM »

Well said Farlo, SNAFU, and Precise! We all need to stand up and defend our rights! If that means boycotting places like Joes, so be it. Money talks. But they are not going to control us like little puppy dogs!

Norton1 · « **Reply #72 on:** April 08, 2009, 08:49:58 PM »

Quote from: eddymunster on April 03, 2009, 09:29:25 AM

In a time not long ago here in Idaho this conversation would never have taken place. It is sad to see how things have changed for the worse. Firearms were an everyday part of life and my Grandpa never left home without two.

Amen Brother - and it seems to me it is the out of staters who are crying about it. They moved here for the freedoms and then cry about them - -

I carry everywhere. And often remove my coat so then I am OC - - it's legal. And those that can't hack it ought to move to California. I carry to protect myself and my family. Socially acceptable - screw that crap - carry - it's a right.

Idaho Corsair · « **Reply #73 on:** April 09, 2009, 10:59:59 AM »

Oh. Just some odd humor here. Seems Joe's just filed for bankruptcy or will in a couple days (forget which, heard it on 670 this morning) and will be closing their stores.

Kcboats · « **Reply #74 on:** April 09, 2009, 06:26:37 PM »

Yup, Meridian and Nampa stores are closing according to channel 7.

Author Topic: Handguns at Joes (Read 3614 times)

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