Author Topic: Handguns at Joes (Read 3614 times)

Jim · « **on:** March 27, 2009, 09:25:14 AM »

I don't know if it's already been pointed out yet or not but Joes in Meridian now sells pistols.

I stopped in yesterday and looked at a couple of their compacts, example of prices:
Springfield XD .40 $489
HK compact .40 $939
HK compact .45 $1029
Kimber ultra crimson $1079

just thought I'd share

Nealio · « **Reply #1 on:** March 27, 2009, 02:27:38 PM »

Were all of these in stock?

Jim · « **Reply #2 on:** March 27, 2009, 03:19:33 PM »

They were when I was there (I tried each of them on for comparison) but the guy at the counter said that somebody had just called about the XD and was on his way down to buy it.

Idaho Corsair · « **Reply #3 on:** March 27, 2009, 05:11:19 PM »

but they won't let you carry them!

pv74 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 29, 2009, 06:28:42 PM »

Quote from: Idaho Corsair on March 27, 2009, 05:11:19 PM

but they won't let you carry them!

Its concealed for a reason...

Nealio · « **Reply #5 on:** March 30, 2009, 04:02:45 PM »

Quote from: Idaho Corsair on March 27, 2009, 05:11:19 PM

but they won't let you carry them!

Miss_me · « **Reply #6 on:** March 30, 2009, 04:18:40 PM »

ok i'll probably get jumped for this... but....

when you own the store you make the rules... until then quit bitching about it or do something about it...

Nealio · « **Reply #7 on:** March 30, 2009, 05:13:27 PM »

They have a no firearms sign or something? (I guess i should have been more clear that I don't understand the statement that was made)

Idaho Corsair · « **Reply #8 on:** March 30, 2009, 05:57:45 PM »

They are hard-core anti-open carry (told can't CC either). Kicked a number of people out I know of on various occasions, was told it was illegal and other BS, talked with corporate and they said the same thing... can't carry. Period. Big time A-holes about it too and I don't go around calling people a-holes...
and I did something about it miss_me... I let hundreds of people know (committed people, opencarry.org), most of whom will never set foot in that store or others around the country because I got the word out. I won't go there even for good deals. We have lots of good alternatives withing just a mile or two from there for similar and usually better stuff!

SNAFU · « **Reply #9 on:** March 30, 2009, 09:25:32 PM »

Quote from: Idaho Corsair on March 30, 2009, 05:57:45 PM

They are hard-core anti-open carry (told can't CC either). Kicked a number of people out I know of on various occasions, was told it was illegal and other BS, talked with corporate and they said the same thing... can't carry. Period. Big time A-holes about it too and I don't go around calling people a-holes...
and I did something about it miss_me... I let hundreds of people know (committed people, opencarry.org), most of whom will never set foot in that store or others around the country because I got the word out. I won't go there even for good deals. We have lots of good alternatives withing just a mile or two from there for similar and usually better stuff!

Also the reason why I won't even go within 500' of the place.

The Moxie Java across the parking lot is more Pro-Gun than Joes is...

ExpnsiveToys23 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 30, 2009, 09:42:15 PM »

wow this really makes me not want to go to joes

berg · « **Reply #11 on:** March 30, 2009, 09:53:35 PM »

can't we all just get along? Joe's may have a right to prohibit firearms cary in their store, just as we have a right to express our concern by not spending our money with them. I am sure there are sporting goods stores in the area that support our rights. I disagree with their policy..... so I will buy my sporting goods elsewhere.

Nealio · « **Reply #12 on:** March 31, 2009, 12:21:40 AM »

Well at least Joes' is safe because they don't allow guns....

luvmy45 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 31, 2009, 08:14:40 AM »

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Kicked a number of people out I know of on various occasions, was told it was illegal and other BS,

Well it is illegal isn't it? It's private property and they have a right to say no guns, which makes you a trespasser on their property and therefore illegal for you to carry there.

I think it's stupid for a sporting goods store to have a no carry/no gun policy, kinda like a Vegetarian store that sells beef. Just doesn't make sense.

But, the very thing that we jump all over the government, about them violating our individual rights, we turn around an jump all over someone else for the very same reason. Seems a little two faced don't you think?

I don't have to like the FACT that some say's they don't want me to carry on their property, but we shouldn't rub their noses in it. If we want respect, the we have to give it.

As for me, well, you guys just avoid Joe's at all costs, and I'll be buying the .22 ammo and primers and powder as they show up at their counter, less competition in the store that way. Although, they haven't had squat for weeks.

Brian

carracer · « **Reply #14 on:** March 31, 2009, 08:44:38 AM »

If it's not posted at the door then it's not illegal. It only becomes that way if a store manager asks you to leave and you refuse.

bourneshooter · « **Reply #15 on:** March 31, 2009, 08:46:22 AM »

Quote from: luvmy45 on March 31, 2009, 08:14:40 AM

Well it is illegal isn't it? It's private property and they have a right to say no guns, which makes you a trespasser on their property and therefore illegal for you to carry there.
...

I've talked to several of the people Idaho Corsair mentioned that got kicked out. The JOE's employees and management think that Open Carry itself is illegal. In Idaho it isn't illegal. IN fact the ID Constitution prohibits it from being illegal.

So when JOE's says no guns in there, it has nothing to do with the legallity of Open Carry. All it does is prove to me that the company's policy is stupid. Therefore I don't shop there.

eddymunster · « **Reply #16 on:** March 31, 2009, 09:23:31 AM »

I will support companies that value my rights. No amount of savings is enough to accept hypocrisy.

agunforeachhand · « **Reply #17 on:** March 31, 2009, 09:24:59 AM »

Holy crap. Reading all of this I thought I was in the alpha-omega thread

Miss_me · « **Reply #18 on:** March 31, 2009, 10:02:51 AM »

i'm sorry but they have rights too....

Nealio · « **Reply #19 on:** March 31, 2009, 10:36:18 AM »

According to the sherriff in my CCW class, you can carry anywhere even if its posted "no firearms" (excluding government buildings). However if they ask you to leave for any reason, you must comply or you are trespassing. That's the way I understand it.
- Nealio

e11charlie · « **Reply #20 on:** March 31, 2009, 10:45:57 AM »

So why dont we all strap on open holsters and start up a protest right in front of their store for a day. That way the general public knows where Joe's stands. It might actually get the management to think. I mean come on, no guns allowed in a gun store what the hell?

fj40mojo · « **Reply #21 on:** March 31, 2009, 10:50:57 AM »

Quote from: 240-Rifles on March 31, 2009, 10:45:57 AM

So why dont we all strap on open holsters and start up a protest right in front of their store for a day. That way the general public knows where Joe's stands. It might actually get the management to think. I mean come on, no guns allowed in a gun store what the hell?

Sounds like a good way to get some negative press..."Armed Thugs Attempt Use Intimidation To Change Store Policy"

My $.02, if you don't like their policy do your business elsewhere. They have a right to set store policy just like you have the right to set policy on your private property. If enough of the customer base agrees with you they won't survive especially in this economy.

e11charlie · « **Reply #22 on:** March 31, 2009, 10:56:55 AM »

Good point but I wouldnt worry about the customer base too much seeing the finacial trouble they are in. Sweet poetic justice.

Nealio · « **Reply #23 on:** March 31, 2009, 11:00:11 AM »

I don't think GI Joes relies on CCW holders and "gun nuts" to keep them open. Besides it doesn't sound like anyone shops there anyway. Lets just keep going to places like Sportsmans and Cabelas. They have the best empty ammo shelves in town !

- Nealio

Idaho Corsair · « **Reply #24 on:** March 31, 2009, 04:08:53 PM »

Quote from: luvmy45 on March 31, 2009, 08:14:40 AM

Well it is illegal isn't it? It's private property and they have a right to say no guns, which makes you a trespasser on their property and therefore illegal for you to carry there.

No. They said open carry was illegal in Idaho anywhere for anyone. That is what I was referring to. However - Trespassing only occurs once you've been told to leave and don't. I never violated that, nor did the other people that I know who also OC'd there. Thus we were legal the whole time. They went so far as to say one of us brandished a firearm by waving it all over the place... none of us even rested a hand on our gun. Ridiculous.

Quote from: luvmy45 on March 31, 2009, 08:14:40 AM

But, the very thing that we jump all over the government, about them violating our individual rights, we turn around an jump all over someone else for the very same reason. Seems a little two faced don't you think?

Actually what you said on face value re-phrased would say "we jump on the government and private businesses who violate our rights." So if that's what you meant, I agree. Anyone who violates my rights is to be reprimanded if legally possible.
now for what I think you intended to say...

Not at all. It is WRONG when the government FORCES someone to do something in violation of their rights... we're not forcing Joe's to do anything. I FULLY respect their right to ban carry... thus I won't carry there... in this case it means I won't go there. Period. Thus they have a right to ban carry. I have a right to spend my money where I want to.

Quote from: luvmy45 on March 31, 2009, 08:14:40 AM

I don't have to like the FACT that some say's they don't want me to carry on their property, but we shouldn't rub their noses in it. If we want respect, the we have to give it.

I respect everyone, until they disrespect me... then I still usually respect them... for a while... kinda like a rubber-band effect. I'm not going to rub their noses in it, but when someone violates what I view a basic human right (self-defense) then I loose pretty much all respect for them as it shows they have little respect for human life. That's where the east and west differ. The west respects human life... now they probably do respect human life to be fair, but their actions say otherwise.

Quote from: luvmy45 on March 31, 2009, 08:14:40 AM

As for me, well, you guys just avoid Joe's at all costs, and I'll be buying the .22 ammo and primers and powder as they show up at their counter, less competition in the store that way. Although, they haven't had squat for weeks.

If you like to knowingly support flagrant libs, then that's cool. Honestly I don't have a problem with it... I just find it weird. To each his own!

luvmy45 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 31, 2009, 06:11:07 PM »

I think we are in agreement. Now that you have elaborated on what they have done.

I don't look for No Carry signs when I walk in the door, so I assumed they had it posted. If it was posted, and we did walk in there, then we were violating their rights as business owners. But if it's not posted, and they have a wrong view of what state law says... then I would take the manager aside and inform him of the law, but not in public in private.

Now to your last point...

If the conservative business owners had what I needed then I would buy it there, and I do... but if Joe's is stupid enough to put small rifle BENCH REST primers on the shelf and sell them for the same price as normal rifle primers, well, then yeah, I guess I do support their right to be stupid.

(Late last summer, they did that, made off with 1000 primers too.) I've bought mis marked powder there in the past before too.

It's next to my house, and easy to stop in and grab whatever they have on the shelf.

The way I figure it is, if and when I need to use said ammo, primers, or powder, whether or not I bought it from a liberal owned store or a conservative owned store isn't gonna much matter.

Brian

fj40mojo · « **Reply #26 on:** March 31, 2009, 06:25:04 PM »

Quote from: luvmy45 on March 31, 2009, 06:11:07 PM

(Late last summer, they did that, made off with 1000 primers too.) I've bought mis marked powder there in the past before too.

STICKEN IT TO THE MAN HEHEHEEHEHE!

Jeff · « **Reply #27 on:** March 31, 2009, 08:54:23 PM »

Quote from: Miss_me on March 31, 2009, 10:02:51 AM

i'm sorry but they have rights too....

Sure they do. And some people are exercising their right to spend money elsewhere.

Jeff · « **Reply #28 on:** March 31, 2009, 08:58:22 PM »

Quote from: 240-Rifles on March 31, 2009, 10:45:57 AM

So why dont we all strap on open holsters and start up a protest right in front of their store for a day. That way the general public knows where Joe's stands. It might actually get the management to think. I mean come on, no guns allowed in a gun store what the hell?

I think you'd be better off sending a copy of receipts from things bought elsewhere to the CEO. That and a letter explaining the law and making it clear that until they make a policy change you will continue spending your money elsewhere. Get a hundred other people to do that and you might see some changes.

9Shooter · « **Reply #29 on:** April 01, 2009, 08:39:39 AM »

Quote from: Jeff on March 31, 2009, 08:58:22 PM

I think you'd be better off sending a copy of receipts from things bought elsewhere to the CEO. That and a letter explaining the law and making it clear that until they make a policy change you will continue spending your money elsewhere. Get a hundred other people to do that and you might see some changes.

This is a good idea. I've seen results in the past, albeit not at such a large level, from writing in to companies. Depends a bit on the management but I think you are right; if you get enough people to take part, hopefully it will get noticed.

lsgibb · « **Reply #30 on:** April 02, 2009, 05:53:27 PM »

I don't get this? Are you saying that you open carried a gun, I'm guessing a pistol in a belt holster, into a family sporting goods store and didn't think anyone would have a problem with that? I could understand your point if you went into Cliff's or Boise Gun open carrying but a family store? Hell Cabelas doesn't allow you to carry in there either, does that mean your not going to shop there? I mean really would you open carry in a grocery store? I suppose you also keep your rifles and shotguns in the rear window of your pickup truck too?

Jeff · « **Reply #31 on:** April 02, 2009, 06:06:42 PM »

This is Idaho. Open carry is both legal and accepted most everywhere. There will be several people open carrying at pizza tonight in a family restaurant and no one will be upset.

In your quest for a CJ degree you really need to stop for a Constitutional refresher. :-/

fj40mojo · « **Reply #32 on:** April 02, 2009, 06:09:25 PM »

Quote from: lsgibb on April 02, 2009, 05:53:27 PM

I don't get this? Are you saying that you open carried a gun, I'm guessing a pistol in a belt holster, into a family sporting goods store and didn't think anyone would have a problem with that? I could understand your point if you went into Cliff's or Boise Gun open carrying but a family store? Hell Cabelas doesn't allow you to carry in there either, does that mean your not going to shop there? I mean really would you open carry in a grocery store? I suppose you also keep your rifles and shotguns in the rear window of your pickup truck too?

State of Idaho says it's legal and it seems to me that an awful lot of violence has taken place in family oriented settings ie schools, restaurants, etc. To answer your question, yes, if the business is not in complete support of my rights then I'm not going to shop there! Personally I CC, I have a permit therefore the right, but those who don't have or choose not to obtain the requisite permit but still retain their God given right to keep and bear arms can open carry all they want. If a business chooses to set policy contrary to the rights and beliefs of a portion of their customers then those customers have the right and to my way of thinking the obligation to take their business elsewhere.

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luvmy45 · « **Reply #33 on:** April 02, 2009, 06:10:18 PM »

Why is open carrying wrong? It is perfectly legal in Idaho, and many other states; so what makes a family store a better or worse place than say anywhere else?

If you don't have a CCW and open carry is a valid option why would you decide to carry or not carry? Most bad things happen in good places.

Brian

lsgibb · « **Reply #34 on:** April 02, 2009, 09:48:57 PM »

I am all for our constitutional right to keep and bear arms (that's why I'm here), but I also believe that there is a way to do it that does not bring unwanted attention to yourself, such as concealed carry. Yes I understand that in Idaho it is legal in most places to open carry, but I don't believe that it is perfectly accepted, otherwise I think you would see a lot more of it. I guess to me if your in a grocery store carrying a 357 mag on your hip and not in a uniform, then your doing it to either bring attention to yourself or prove a point or both.
Yes I completely understand and agree with the motto of 24/7 carry as long as it is not bringing attention to yourself which is why we have concealed carry permits.
I look at it like this, our current administration has many of us worried about future gun laws and now everyone and their dog is stocking up on non hunting guns and ammo, if we want to keep our right to keep and bear arms then we shouldn't be out bringing attention to ourselves open carrying in grocery stores and churches making us look like a bunch of redneck hillbilly malitia men.
It's kind of like the guys with their open shorty pipes on their Harleys (the louder the better, right) or the guys in their hopped up diesels bellowing smoke all over the freeway, well all that really does is piss off everyone around us, which leads to more laws, which makes it harder and harder to enjoy the things we enjoy doing.

WTF · « **Reply #35 on:** April 02, 2009, 10:37:59 PM »

bad analogy on the Loud pipes, Some may disagree (non motorcycle riders) but loud pipes do save lives and let's the motorist know we are next or near to them, while they are listening to their 1500 watt stereo, or talking on the phone while putting on make up and reading a book with a coffee in the other hand.

I've been riding for 26+ years, and had so many near collisions cause the driver didn't see or hear me on my quiet bikes, and never had a near collision on MC's with loud pipes. so I disagree with you and think its a poor analogy, But the purpose of loud pipes is for our own safety. not for the sake of "Hey Look at me"

lsgibb · « **Reply #36 on:** April 03, 2009, 07:04:21 AM »

I had a lot more time to think about this over the night and I think it comes down to this. The problem with guns in general is I can't think of a single piece of machinery that can strike fear into so many people just from the site of one and a lot of those people who are fearful of them also make our laws. So if we want to keep our rights then we shouldn't be open carrying in places that while it might be legal, does not mean that it is socially acceptable. Yes there are drawbacks to conceal carry, it's awfully hard to conceal a 1911, but at least you can still have a weapon on you without bringing unwanted attention to yourself.

As for the motorcycle analogy, whether or not you think you need to have loud pipes, which is debatable, will be taken away from you from those same people that are eating donuts and putting on their makeup in their cars on their way to work at the capital building. Hey man, I'm not a prude loud is cool to a point, but once you cross that it just becomes abnoxious. There are a few bikes around my house that when they drive by I can hear them coming a block away from inside my house, and when they drive by my house rattles. That is too loud. I ride motorcycles too and there are better ways to make sure you are seen that do not upset everyone around us. Unfortunately those ways do not involve black leather on black bikes which is the cool way to roll.

luvmy45 · « **Reply #37 on:** April 03, 2009, 08:22:59 AM »

I agree with WTF about your analogy but for a different reason. At 1:00am in the morning with the guy on the Harley comes home is really annoying, but i can see the point about loud being good, because people on cell phones are oblivious to their surroundings.

However, owning a bike with loud pipes, or having a diesel with big exhaust are not RIGHTS! You are getting dragged into the argument that the Brady's would love to have with you, and it is a losing one that you can't win. When we engage in rhetoric that we allow to reduce our RIGHT to have and bear arms to the level of loud pipes and exhaust systems we have lost.

You have to compare it to something that is a RIGHT, God given and Constitutionally Protected. Take Free Speech. I really despise the stupid Meth addict adds around town on a billboards and TV. They make my 9 year old ask me why there are such ugly signs around, that quite frankly, scare her. I do not want to have a conversation with my 9 year old about the dangers of meth abuse, she it not ready for an adult conversation about that. Not to mention there are numerous studies that disprove the effect of fear based advertising. But that is their RIGHT, and I live with it.

The 2nd amendment reads "the keep and BEAR arms" we sometime get so caught up in the right to keep arms that we forget about the right to bear arms. I find nothing wrong with someone open carrying in a grocery store or anywhere. Most people (sheep) will think they are a detective or something. If I see someone open carrying, they immediately get my full attention, my alert level goes to RED and I watch them... after a few seconds you know if they are a bad guy or not. I ratchet down to yellow and go back to my business.

Don't confuse Rights with Needs and don't let the antigun people drag us down to their level. We have a Right to keep and BEAR arms.

My choice is to carry concealed, but there is nothing wrong with open carry. I do think that discretion is the better part of valor at times when it comes to open carry, but that is a personal decision for my fellow Americans to make, because it is their RIGHT.

Brian

9Shooter · « **Reply #38 on:** April 03, 2009, 08:33:23 AM »

Quote from: lsgibb on April 03, 2009, 07:04:21 AM

I had a lot more time to think about this over the night and I think it comes down to this. The problem with guns in general is I can't think of a single piece of machinery that can strike fear into so many people just from the site of one and a lot of those people who are fearful of them also make our laws. So if we want to keep our rights then we shouldn't be open carrying in places that while it might be legal, does not mean that it is socially acceptable. Yes there are drawbacks to conceal carry, it's awfully hard to conceal a 1911, but at least you can still have a weapon on you without bringing unwanted attention to yourself.

I understand where you are coming from and there have been plenty of arguments both for and against OC. I do not OC myself for my own reasons, but I have no problem at all with those who choose to. In your comment above, you mention the social acceptability of seeing a gun being carried. While I will agree that some might find it shocking and/or scary, the less people that carry openly the more shocking and scary it becomes when you eventually run across people that do. Out of sight, out of mind, and th.. OH CRAP IS THAT A GUN!?!

The first time I saw someone carrying openly after I moved here I thought it was the coolest thing in the world that I could live in a place where peoples individual freedoms could actually be exorcised. I never owned or carried before being in ID. Now I wouldn't move anywhere I couldn't, not that I would ever leave

As for the fearful being the ones making the laws, I'm sure that is also true to a degree. I have been impressed with most of our legislators to date in this area. We have to remember that we are their bosses. If they do not meet expectations, or do not do their job in the way we feel is representing our wishes, they can be and should be removed from office by our vote.

You may want to visit opencarry.org if you haven't already. There is a forum there for Idaho as well. Much good information about OC on the national level.

eddymunster · « **Reply #39 on:** April 03, 2009, 09:29:25 AM »

In a time not long ago here in Idaho this conversation would never have taken place. It is sad to see how things have changed for the worse. Firearms were an everyday part of life and my Grandpa never left home without two.

bourneshooter · « **Reply #40 on:** April 03, 2009, 09:43:48 AM »

Quote from: lsgibb on April 02, 2009, 05:53:27 PM

I don't get this? Are you saying that you open carried a gun, I'm guessing a pistol in a belt holster, into a family sporting goods store and didn't think anyone would have a problem with that? I could understand your point if you went into Cliff's or Boise Gun open carrying but a family store? Hell Cabelas doesn't allow you to carry in there either, does that mean your not going to shop there? I mean really would you open carry in a grocery store? I suppose you also keep your rifles and shotguns in the rear window of your pickup truck too?

Cabelas does in fact allow you to Open Carry there. The only stipulation - a smart one - is that it has to stay in your holster. Well duh! Only reason my Glock would come out is in legal self defense.

Jeff · « **Reply #41 on:** April 03, 2009, 10:33:50 AM »

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The problem with guns in general is I can't think of a single piece of machinery that can strike fear into so many people just from the site of one and a lot of those people who are fearful of them also make our laws.

Cops OC and no one freaks out. So, it's obviously not the gun that's causing the heart burn. The sheeple have been trained and conditioned to freak out if a civilian OC's.

lsgibb · « **Reply #42 on:** April 03, 2009, 11:54:53 AM »

Quote from: bourneshooter on April 03, 2009, 09:43:48 AM

Cabelas does in fact allow you to Open Carry there. The only stipulation - a smart one - is that it has to stay in your holster. Well duh! Only reason my Glock would come out is in legal self defense.

Isn't there a big sign when you walk in the door that says all firearms must be checked in at the service desk? Maybe I'm mistaken.

Idaho Corsair · « **Reply #43 on:** April 03, 2009, 04:48:11 PM »

Quote from: Jeff on April 03, 2009, 10:33:50 AM

Cops OC and no one freaks out. So, it's obviously not the gun that's causing the heart burn. The sheeple have been trained and conditioned to freak out if a civilian OC's.

The sage speaks... again. VERY well put and summarized Jeff!!!

JollyRoger · « **Reply #44 on:** April 03, 2009, 04:51:47 PM »

Quote from: lsgibb on April 03, 2009, 07:04:21 AM

I had a lot more time to think about this over the night and I think it comes down to this. The problem with guns in general is I can't think of a single piece of machinery that can strike fear into so many people just from the site of one and a lot of those people who are fearful of them also make our laws. So if we want to keep our rights then we shouldn't be open carrying in places that while it might be legal, does not mean that it is socially acceptable. Yes there are drawbacks to conceal carry, it's awfully hard to conceal a 1911, but at least you can still have a weapon on you without bringing unwanted attention to yourself.

As for the motorcycle analogy, whether or not you think you need to have loud pipes, which is debatable, will be taken away from you from those same people that are eating donuts and putting on their makeup in their cars on their way to work at the capital building. Hey man, I'm not a prude loud is cool to a point, but once you cross that it just becomes abnoxious. There are a few bikes around my house that when they drive by I can hear them coming a block away from inside my house, and when they drive by my house rattles. That is too loud. I ride motorcycles too and there are better ways to make sure you are seen that do not upset everyone around us. Unfortunately those ways do not involve black leather on black bikes which is the cool way to roll.

"Let's not exercise our rights for fear someone might be frightened." Are you fucking kidding me? What does a family store have to do with anything? Do you think people only open carry where it is considered 'cool' or accepted such as BGC or Cliffs? For most, open carry is not anything close to wearing your favorite band shirt to a rock show, or wearing a North Face fleece when going downtown to fit in. It's a lifestyle choice that many here live by day in and day out.

Your statement "The problem with guns in general blah, blah, blah..." is the problem. The real issue is the people, not the guns wise guy. How do you show people that guns are not evil? Hold a seminar, teach a class, or only go to places where other people are carrying openly as to not scare the precious children? Think again. By seeing them everyday they become 'normal' like they are for many of the people on this website.

For the not being socially accepted...think back a few years ago to the gay/lesbian movement. It wasnt a widely accepted behavoir/choice/whatever, but fast forward to today and it's everywhere. Schools, TV, cartoons, media. Everywhere. Who decides what is socially acceptable? It's not just the liberals that have a say in this. You should start thinking like a free man in a free country rather than some social outcast for owning guns.

*Disclaimer* - I do not open carry, never have. It's not what I prefer but I will always defend the right of those that want to exercise it.

Idaho Corsair · « **Reply #45 on:** April 03, 2009, 04:55:37 PM »

Quote from: lsgibb on April 02, 2009, 05:53:27 PM

I don't get this? Are you saying that you open carried a gun, I'm guessing a pistol in a belt holster, into a family sporting goods store and didn't think anyone would have a problem with that? I could understand your point if you went into Cliff's or Boise Gun open carrying but a family store? Hell Cabelas doesn't allow you to carry in there either, does that mean your not going to shop there? I mean really would you open carry in a grocery store? I suppose you also keep your rifles and shotguns in the rear window of your pickup truck too?

Based on you low post count I don't know much about you... so take this with a grain of salt.

What the hell does "family" have to do with anything? I want to protect mine thank you very much.
Get your facts straight, Cabela's allows carry... concealed and open.
Yes, I open carry to the grocery store... and TO MY BANK! To date no one has said a word in the 5-6+ years I've been routinely open carrying my handgun to those places.

Now, to the people that say "but it's a place of learning/library... you can't have guns here" (same as saying "a family sporting goods store") are either 1. liberals, 2. brainwashed, or 3. haven't actually thought about what they said.
Which are you?

e11charlie · « **Reply #46 on:** April 03, 2009, 04:59:31 PM »

Seems his views to be somewhat on the left, thats kind of odd.

fj40mojo · « **Reply #47 on:** April 03, 2009, 05:01:18 PM »

Quote from: 240-Rifles on April 03, 2009, 04:59:31 PM

Seems his views to be somewhat on the left, thats kind of odd.

Give him a chance to respond. Time will tell just how far he can get his foot in his mouth.

Idaho Corsair · « **Reply #48 on:** April 03, 2009, 05:05:56 PM »

I welcome his reply. I want an honest discussion, but when someone comes onto a board and just starts disagreeing and throwing around liberal catch phrases my troll radar starts going off...

now to lsgibb, maybe you're just new to this, that's cool, and maybe you're a weird cross of liberal and conservative, that's cool too, and maybe we'll never agree... honestly, that's cool too... just don't waste your breath trying to stifle other people's rights!

lsgibb · « **Reply #49 on:** April 03, 2009, 05:33:26 PM »

Well I apologize for my first post in this thread, I guess after reading it again I shouldn't have worded it so strongly. I guess as for my personal political views I do fit somewhere in between the liberal and the conservative. I own about a dozen guns half pistols half rifles/shotguns and I very much enjoy being able to shoot them. However I guess this is where we all differ because I could never see myself openly wearing one of them into a place that was not pro-gun or somewhere in the outdoors. I do however have a concealed permit as does my wife and we try to follow the 24/7 motto as much as possible however sometimes it is difficult to hide our snubbs in certain clothing so I have been on the look out for an NAA black widow.
I suppose my point to all of this is, the fastest way to lose your rights is to impose your rights on others. I guess I see concealment as the best option because then it doesn't matter who your around as long as there are no metal detectors.
As for Cabelas, I was just in there today looking for ammo (of course) and there is a sign on the service desk counter when you walk in the door that says
"ALL Firearms are to be surrendered at the desk" and the word ALL is bolded and in red so I think they mean it.
Don't worry I'm not a troll but seems as how I've already been labeled as one I won't bother you all. Good luck to you.

WTF · « **Reply #50 on:** April 03, 2009, 07:36:58 PM »

lsgibb,

Tolerance, respect, and an Individuals *Right* is the bottom line here. Whether a person chooses to OC or CC is their option, pushing your will and how things should be, or what you think is *right* is not. if that were the case, I would've been run out of this place a long time ago because of my Views on Hunting and Animals in general.

Most gun owners especially in Idaho are hunters including members of this board, And I find killing animals for fun and sport quite appalling, with the exception of putting food on the table. But I don't go around pushing my thoughts or demonize the members here and how they should conduct themselves. I chose to tolerate or ignore it because I recognize it as their *Right*, and for me to jump their shit for shooting yotes, rabbits, whistle pigs, or even cats for fun (I love my cats) would be wrong for me.

Their is also the chance you're a Hunter, and I could start a "Why kill a harmless innocent animal, when you can buy a steak in the local store Gun Debate", but I won't, cause I love my Guns, and respect others rights.

So, if you see someone OC'ing in wallyworld, or a grocery store, you can choose to ignore it, Tolerate it, Respect it, or cry about it, But, if the act of someone OC'ing offends you, and you join a message board that shares one common goal (Guns, and Gun Rights) then your in the wrong company of friends.

I need a Bailout for my 2 cents please.

Jeff · « **Reply #51 on:** April 03, 2009, 08:56:47 PM »

I think Isgibb decided to leave. Oh well.

BTW, I only joke about shooting cats.

Bill, Idaho · « **Reply #52 on:** April 03, 2009, 09:25:39 PM »

I'm not going to get into the middle of this, but I just got back from Wallyworld in Nampa (the one on Franklin). I saw a rather strange looking person, by my standards. Male, about 25 (maybe), 300 pounds (definitely!), 5' 8", wearing all black BDU's of some sort, bloused pants, into brown hunting boots. No identifying patches/insignia. A lightweight nylon "duty" belt, with a way-too-long drop-leg holster, the actual holster about knee height. So low that he would have had to lean down to reach the gun. I could not determine what type of pistol was in the holster, but from about 5 feet, it appeared real, maybe a single stack 1911 of some variety. The pistol looked well used, with a capital W. I could not see anything else on the belt (such as a spare mag, cuffs,or a badge-for Gods sake) etc.
The kids hair hadn't seen a comb, (or shampoo) in many moon. The clothes were filthy. He was wandering around the electronics department.
My job (cop) has taught me, probably way more than the average citizen, to really look at people. Maybe a better way to say it is I look at people differently than a citizen. This guy got my attention.
OC is legal, but so is spandex. ( I once saw a bumper sticker that said "spandex is a priviledge, not a right")
I'm just sayin'.

bourneshooter · « **Reply #53 on:** April 03, 2009, 09:47:31 PM »

Some people shouldn't OC. Thats a fact. This guy Bill, Idaho saw is one of them.

If you don't know how to shower then how would you know what direction to point the gun?

High Wall · « **Reply #54 on:** April 04, 2009, 03:29:16 AM »

Quote from: Jeff on April 03, 2009, 08:56:47 PM

I think Isgibb decided to leave. Oh well.

BTW, I only joke about shooting cats.

Nothing wrong with shooting cats, as long as the right cats get shot.

Too bad if isgibb decides to leave, nothing wrong with a little diversity of opinion. His heart seems basically in the right place, perhaps some constructive discussion would give him a different perspective. I had to wonder about the rifle in the pickup window remark. Sounds like he might be a little embarrassed about his own interest in firearms, at least in certain company.

fj40mojo · « **Reply #55 on:** April 04, 2009, 07:39:10 AM »

Quote from: Jeff on April 03, 2009, 08:56:47 PM

I think Isgibb decided to leave. Oh well.

BTW, I only joke about shooting cats.

Ditto....don't shoot the caller-shoot the coyote.

ballardw · « **Reply #56 on:** April 04, 2009, 08:06:15 AM »

Quote from: Bill, Idaho on April 03, 2009, 09:25:39 PM

So low that he would have had to lean down to reach the gun. I could not determine what type of pistol was in the holster, but from about 5 feet, it appeared real, maybe a single stack 1911 of some variety. The pistol looked well used, with a capital W. I could not see anything else on the belt (such as a spare mag, cuffs,or a badge-for Gods sake) etc.

Maybe a Daisy BB/Pellet gun?

Bill, Idaho · « **Reply #57 on:** April 04, 2009, 08:41:45 AM »

I don't think it was a BB gun, but I wouldn't rule out airsoft. It looked real.

e11charlie · « **Reply #58 on:** April 04, 2009, 09:01:57 AM »

You are right guys like this give the everyday citizen a bad name. If he is legal to carry it it is his right. IF we start saying that guy shouldnt carry because he looks like a scumbag, we are shooting ourselves in the foot. Besides the drop leg holster I was carrying was not that low and I dont weigh 300 lbs.

9Shooter · « **Reply #59 on:** April 04, 2009, 09:15:52 AM »

Quote from: Bill, Idaho on April 04, 2009, 08:41:45 AM

I don't think it was a BB gun, but I wouldn't rule out airsoft. It looked real.

This was my first thought based on your description. They make some pretty accurate looking airsoft stuff these days.

luvmy45 · « **Reply #60 on:** April 04, 2009, 10:15:06 AM »

Quote from: zona5101 on April 03, 2009, 09:23:04 AM

Really? I have never ever ever in years of reading KABA and other 2A news aggregators heard of any BG oc'ing. BGs, unless they're ex-poolice, don't even use holsters. I see someone open carry I look to see what they are carrying, like "OMG, is that a Kimber Desert Warrior! Ooh night sites!!! Hummppt. But the holster has got to go - doesn't even match the shoes."

I don't see people open carrying vary oftern in the stores that I'm at... and it is situation dependent.

If I'm out of the city, then I don't really pay any attention to open carry people.

If I'm at the range, well,

I kinda expect to see open carry.

If I'm in wally world, where I don't see open carry, then if I see a gun, I go see how they are dress... well dress, leather OWB holster, no big deal.

One day I was in there and I caught a guy concealed carrying... that didn't raise my threat level at all, because he was with his wife and kids, and he was wearing tan 5.11 shorts with his Glock ensemble at the time with a black t-shirt that wasn't quite long enough to conceal his gun.

I think it's personal experience, the more you experience it the less it effects you.

Brian

Kcboats · « **Reply #61 on:** April 04, 2009, 07:29:24 PM »

I saw a Police Officer in Boise yesterday driving an undercover Honda Accord (Silver in color) with baggy pants, long sweater, vans shoes, and the pulled down low beanie on his head. Looked like a typical gang-banger but was just an officer doing undercover work with the youth in Boise. When I was still an officer this would have totaled up to a PC stop, and I would have been wrong. Maybe this guy had been out hanging in the woods for the weekend (getting wood, hunting, whatever) and the wife said "we need milk"...so rather than being bored he stopped in electronics to check the goodies. Never judge a book by its cover is my motto!! After all...look at Jeff.

GrayWolf · « **Reply #62 on:** April 06, 2009, 08:53:19 PM »

I think that, as long as we obey the law, we have a right to carry -- open or not -- anywhere we damn well please. I don't care if it's Joe's, or Schoe's, or any other worthless place! They can bite me!

I'm getting sick and tired of individuals and organizations telling us what to do as if we're robots!!

luvmy45 · « **Reply #63 on:** April 06, 2009, 10:40:44 PM »

Well the Law says that as a owner of personal property, I can ask you to leave my property if you have a gun on you. If you don't' then it's called trespassing.

bk

luvmy45 · « **Reply #64 on:** April 07, 2009, 07:40:00 AM »

That's a good question... and thanks to the clarification to my statement.

Assumptions being what they are, I'll guess that I'm wrong, but take a stab and then go research it.

Land owner should trump everyone. Unless a contract was entered into specifically forbidding or allowing firearms on the premise, at which point the contract would have to be followed.

The building owner would, I think be int he same position, and the contract with the next person in line, which would be the person that owns the franchise AT the said location. would be under the same stipulations that I would again assume trickle down, if the contract made note of such a restriction or allowance.

The corporate Franchise, that I am aware of has no legal claim to the property that their franchise is on, just the name and whatnot. So while they could issue mandates, the local owner that has the invested money, could ignore such restrictions or allowances, but could have his franchise revoked if corporate knew that he/she specifically made a local regulation counter to a corporate rule.

As far as the teller at the counter... hmm, I would say, they are a spokesman for the location and do have the power to ask someone to leave. "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" But most counter jockies are neanderthals that can't even count back change correctly, let alone take a second to look at a customer and notice they would be carrying a gun.

Now, time to hit the books.

Brian

Precise · « **Reply #65 on:** April 07, 2009, 01:34:40 PM »

I've never shopped there, and I'm not going to now. They can have all the rules they want, and just like Hollywood "stars" and others that take positions that restrict Personal Freedoms and Liberties, I'll support those who support Personal Liberties. If I don't shop at a particular store, get to see a movie staring (insert actor's/actress' name here), or if I don't hear a particular group or song, I'm not losing.

broncovan · « **Reply #66 on:** April 07, 2009, 08:30:21 PM »

Quote from: agunforeachhand on March 31, 2009, 09:24:59 AM

Holy crap. Reading all of this I thought I was in the alpha-omega thread

WTF · « **Reply #67 on:** April 07, 2009, 09:37:08 PM »

we just copy and paste from other threads to give the appear the board is active

SNAFU · « **Reply #68 on:** April 07, 2009, 10:44:29 PM »

Quote from: zona5101 on April 07, 2009, 07:55:08 AM

my position would be that all of them could restrict a person's ability to carry a weapon.

And all gunowners "could" take their money elsewhere.

Spiff · « **Reply #69 on:** April 08, 2009, 08:30:43 AM »

Quote from: SNAFU on April 07, 2009, 10:44:29 PM

And all gunowners ~~could~~ "should" take their money elsewhere.

Fixed it for you SNAFU.

Lets face it. If all legal gun owners would vote with their pocket books we wouldn't have to put up with half the shit we do. There are 80 some odd million of us. That has the potential to be one heck of a statement.

Farlo · « **Reply #70 on:** April 08, 2009, 08:54:24 AM »

Here is where I believe you are mistaken:

Quote

I suppose my point to all of this is, the fastest way to lose your rights is to impose your rights on others.

Me open carrying is not imposing my rights on others. It is me exercising a right. Nothing about openly carrying a weapon in a setting where it is legal requires action or a change in behavior by another. However, if I were to grab Joe Schmoe off the street and hand him a Glock and a holster and told to strap it on, that would be imposing on another.

Allow me to take this a little further. Carrying concealed or not carrying at all out of fear of reaction is allowing others to impose their beliefs upon you. You are changing your behavior based upon fear of another. You are being imposed upon.

As far as I'm concerned, you're no troll. All you did was express an opinion. There's nothing wrong with that.

GrayWolf · « **Reply #71 on:** April 08, 2009, 08:37:10 PM »

Well said Farlo, SNAFU, and Precise! We all need to stand up and defend our rights! If that means boycotting places like Joes, so be it. Money talks. But they are not going to control us like little puppy dogs!

Norton1 · « **Reply #72 on:** April 08, 2009, 08:49:58 PM »

Quote from: eddymunster on April 03, 2009, 09:29:25 AM

In a time not long ago here in Idaho this conversation would never have taken place. It is sad to see how things have changed for the worse. Firearms were an everyday part of life and my Grandpa never left home without two.

Amen Brother - and it seems to me it is the out of staters who are crying about it. They moved here for the freedoms and then cry about them - -

I carry everywhere. And often remove my coat so then I am OC - - it's legal. And those that can't hack it ought to move to California. I carry to protect myself and my family. Socially acceptable - screw that crap - carry - it's a right.

Idaho Corsair · « **Reply #73 on:** April 09, 2009, 10:59:59 AM »

Oh. Just some odd humor here. Seems Joe's just filed for bankruptcy or will in a couple days (forget which, heard it on 670 this morning) and will be closing their stores.

Kcboats · « **Reply #74 on:** April 09, 2009, 06:26:37 PM »

Yup, Meridian and Nampa stores are closing according to channel 7.

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