Author Topic: Suppresor comparison (Read 1686 times)

ExpnsiveToys23 · « **on:** March 16, 2009, 07:32:11 PM »

so i am trying to decide between the Gemtech HVT for .308 and the YHM Phantom suppresor cost is about the same. curious to get some feedback from those who have had either of these suppressors.

http://www.gem-tech.com/HVT.html

http://yankeehillmachine.com/store/phantom762.html

any input is apprecited.

tgibson · « **Reply #1 on:** March 16, 2009, 08:49:24 PM »

I have no thoughts on either one of them other than the fact that if you buy Gemtech, you will be supporting an Idaho based company. FWIW.
Adios,
TG

WTF · « **Reply #2 on:** March 16, 2009, 09:42:01 PM »

Quote from: tgibson on March 16, 2009, 08:49:24 PM

I have no thoughts on either one of them other than the fact that if you buy Gemtech, you will be supporting an Idaho based company. FWIW.
Adios,
TG

It's my understanding the Gemtech's are made in Georgia, they only have an office here. and are not made in Idaho!

0351 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 16, 2009, 10:04:09 PM »

Not sure if your looking for a QD can or if you mind a thread mount can but you might checkout htg http://www.htgsilencers.com/RIFLES/Rifles.html He is local (Boise) and his suppressors are very impressive.

coyotehunter · « **Reply #4 on:** March 16, 2009, 11:29:45 PM »

Call HTG, @ 323-7674
He has some of the better ones out there.

http://www.htgsilencers.com/

Don

EDGE · « **Reply #5 on:** March 17, 2009, 08:17:02 AM »

I have a QD YHM Phantom Stainless 7.62 and have been very pleased.

I know someone with a .223 Gemtech and he's had nothing but problems and really bad customer service.

ExpnsiveToys23 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 17, 2009, 11:06:10 AM »

see funny thing is i have heard nothing but good about the gemtech customer service, i have heard horrible things about aac customer service, can anyone tell me anything about welds and whatnot?

EDGE · « **Reply #7 on:** March 17, 2009, 12:45:40 PM »

I guess YMMV, in regards to customer service. For example, I've seen others rave about AAC. I haven't had a problem with YHM, so I don't know what their customer service is like. I do know they are very nice on the phone and get my orders out quickly.

No weld marks on the YHM. It's rated to take any .30 cal, even the .30 magnums, like 300 Ultra Mag. Works on .223's well also. (Just order the .223 QD)

Another can that people seem to really like is the Surefire.

Idaho Corsair · « **Reply #8 on:** March 17, 2009, 01:00:20 PM »

The Gemtech v. AAC customer service has been debated just about as much as the 9mm v. .45 has.

bourneshooter · « **Reply #9 on:** March 17, 2009, 05:27:31 PM »

Expensive Toys 223, can you tell us what you want the can for? Because alot of things go into the descicion to purchase a can.

Sound Suppression
Weight
Length
etc.

ExpnsiveToys23 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 17, 2009, 09:41:20 PM »

well what i plan to use it for it on my .308 rifles, possibly a .300 win mag. the thing is i would also like to be able to use it on my .223 rifles and not have to buy a second can. i am caught between yhm, gemtech and surefire. price is not so much a issue. i would rather buy something that costs a little more and have it last than go a little cheaper.

bourneshooter · « **Reply #11 on:** March 17, 2009, 09:49:27 PM »

Have you checked Silencer Talk forums at all? There is a lot of sound and related testing done by guys who post on that forum.

(Before the s#!tstorm starts over ST, its owned buy a guy who designed a suppressor for AAC. He fully discloses that info and it isn't reason to discredit that forum.)

EDGE · « **Reply #12 on:** March 17, 2009, 10:08:12 PM »

Take a look at www.silencerresearch.com also.

kel · « **Reply #13 on:** March 21, 2009, 12:38:47 AM »

Stumbled across this post by chance - weird comment there, WTF, by the way - I'm not on this forum to sell cans, and stay away from the whole shill-pitching across the web, but if you've got any specific, legitimate questions about our gear, you're welcome to ask away and I'll try to answer if appropriate to do so.

I've never seen the YHM suppressor in .308, so I wouldn't be a good resource on that one, but I have seen pretty much every HVT ever made.

Kel

TEAM GEMTECH GUY

WTF · « **Reply #14 on:** March 21, 2009, 11:32:11 AM »

Quote from: kel on March 21, 2009, 12:38:47 AM

Stumbled across this post by chance - weird comment there, WTF, by the way - I'm not on this forum to sell cans, and stay away from the whole shill-pitching across the web, but if you've got any specific, legitimate questions about our gear, you're welcome to ask away and I'll try to answer if appropriate to do so.

I've never seen the YHM suppressor in .308, so I wouldn't be a good resource on that one, but I have seen pretty much every HVT ever made.

Kel

TEAM GEMTECH GUY

Hi Kel,
I could care less what you sell here, I don't have an axe to grind with you or Gemtech, I don't own any Gemtech Cans, nor am I a Can Nazi, I was merely pointing out what I know. and that is Gemtech Cans are manufactured in another State, and not in Idaho. If the Cans are made in another state, how is that supporting a local business when they only maintain an office here?

bourneshooter · « **Reply #15 on:** March 21, 2009, 05:06:31 PM »

This has spiked my interest. Where are Gemtech's cans manufactured? I thought it was boise.

kel · « **Reply #16 on:** March 22, 2009, 01:02:42 AM »

WTF, I was referring to the "made in Georgia" thing - I thought you were making a joke - that's just bad intel you've got there. We have no ties at all to Georgia, other than I'm a big fan of South Georgia almond butter with fresh Georgia peach preserves.

Bourneshooter, since you were curious: Gemtech is firmly based in Idaho, registered as an Idaho based corporation here since 1993, etc. Gemtech East (Jackson, MI) does indeed do the heavy lifting as far as machine shop work to make the bulk of the items we sell. Idaho offices do final assembly, laser engraving and welding, and we do manufacture some of the suppressors completely here in Idaho.
Gemtech has two facilities in the Gem State - Boise and our Eagle office. The Boise custom shop is here for repair, testing, etc., and the Eagle office also has a small machine shop for barrel threading and similar services but is mostly phones and ATF paperwork.

Other than popping in here every now and then and sponsoring the MGM Ironman, we've traditionally kept a pretty low profile locally... but I don't mind answering questions if I can be of any help.

Regards,

Kel (I wonder if I can get one of those "Buy Eagle First" signs from City Hall for my office...

)

WTF · « **Reply #17 on:** March 22, 2009, 09:39:51 AM »

Quote from: kel on March 22, 2009, 01:02:42 AM

(Jackson, MI) does indeed do the heavy lifting as far as machine shop work to make the bulk of the items we sell. Idaho offices do final assembly, laser engraving and welding, and we do manufacture some of the suppressors completely here in Idaho.
Gemtech has two facilities in the Gem State - Boise and our Eagle office. The Boise custom shop is here for repair, testing, etc., and the Eagle office also has a small machine shop for barrel threading and similar services but is mostly phones and ATF paperwork.

My bad for mentioning Georgia, But I knew the suppressors were manufactured out of State, and for some reason Georgia kept coming to mind.

bourneshooter · « **Reply #18 on:** March 22, 2009, 02:15:05 PM »

Thanks for that info Kel. Helps clarify a bunch of stuff up!

Orbital-Burn · « **Reply #19 on:** March 22, 2009, 06:29:31 PM »

kel, do you guys stand behind your HVT for 300 ultra mag?

ExpnsiveToys23 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 22, 2009, 06:36:37 PM »

previous question is of interest to me as well since i am thinking about a 300 ultra mag

kel · « **Reply #21 on:** March 22, 2009, 09:54:18 PM »

Quote from: Orbital-Burn on March 22, 2009, 06:29:31 PM

kel, do you guys stand behind your HVT for 300 ultra mag?

***Well of course we stand behind them. Do you think we'd stand in front of them?

Kel

(Humor aside, to answer your actual question, they're rated for .300WM and lesser pressure/calibers. We've had very little experience or demand for the Short Ultra Mag, or Ultra Mag calibers. A sniper crew out at Ft. Lewis has been doing "beta testing" with the .300 short ultramag, they've been about a year at it and haven't broken anything on the HVTs, but we're still not comfortable telling clients to go do something we haven't tested fully ourselves, or where people could conceivably put together a dangerous combo (too short a barrel/too high a pressure accidentally reloaded doublecharged round, etc... We build in a pretty high safety factor, but you'd be pushing it with the wrong combo of Murphy with a short barrel and too hot ammo, etc. - so, not advised.)

tgibson · « **Reply #22 on:** March 23, 2009, 07:05:43 AM »

Quote from: kel on March 22, 2009, 01:02:42 AM

Other than popping in here every now and then and sponsoring the MGM Ironman, we've traditionally kept a pretty low profile locally... but I don't mind answering questions if I can be of any help.

Regards,

Kel (I wonder if I can get one of those "Buy Eagle First" signs from City Hall for my office... )

WOOHOOO!! Thanks Kel!!
Adios,
TG

bandlwas · « **Reply #23 on:** March 23, 2009, 09:57:34 AM »

Speaking of customer service. I just got off the phone with a guy from Gemtech about getting my Supressor modified to cycle rounds better (HK USP Compact does not like the can) and he was very helpful and said that all work would be done here in town with minimal time out?! So far I am impressed. Besides that being said I love the Gemtech products!

DarkHelmet · « **Reply #24 on:** March 23, 2009, 02:17:08 PM »

Quote from: bandlwas on March 23, 2009, 09:57:34 AM

Speaking of customer service. I just got off the phone with a guy from Gemtech about getting my Supressor modified to cycle rounds better (HK USP Compact does not like the can) and he was very helpful and said that all work would be done here in town with minimal time out?! So far I am impressed. Besides that being said I love the Gemtech products!

That was me... one of Kel's minions...

bandlwas · « **Reply #25 on:** March 23, 2009, 03:06:16 PM »

Not sure exactly? He(Dark Helmet) and the guy dwon at impact who owns the same set up and had similar problems, but only with the HK Compact USP Tac. I put it on my buddies Full Size USP with the same ammo (Win bulk stuff from Walley World) and no problems what so ever? Maybe One of you Gemtech guys can enlighten us. I think he mentioned having weight on the end of the shorted barrel?

Idaho Corsair · « **Reply #26 on:** March 25, 2009, 10:34:26 AM »

I bought both Gemtech and AAC just to see if the two sitting side-by-side would start fighting.

(sorry Kel, just my sense of humor)
... so far both manufacturer's cans have been great. Gemtech also threaded my Glock 17L barrels after shortening and crowning them... nicely done there too!

kel · « **Reply #27 on:** March 25, 2009, 02:22:23 PM »

Re: Fighting. I generally leave that to folks on the internet who like to hear themselves talk.

Re: HK compacts. The BLACKSIDE suppressors weren't originally designed to be a "one size fits all" suppressor - it's light and short, made specifically for a military entity that requested what we came up with, which was the lightest, shortest, quietest suppressor that would function a 1911 properly. A boosted version was also developed for a pistol manufacturer that had a need for a military tender. Army and USMC end-users ended up being very happy with their Gemtech suppressors.

When we later released a commercial version of it on the civilian market, we did so with a short list of guns it had been tested and approved for usage on. The HK compact tactical did not exist at that time. When the compact tactical finally came out, naturally, we were interested to see if it functioned on that. It works 100% on the two CTs we have run it on, but I still wouldn't put it in the "bet your life on it" reliable on all HK compacts under all circumstances. I flew over to Germany a while ago to talk to the HK folks, and it turns out they changed the springs on the USP series guns, which means that while initial testing showed they worked 100%, some newer date ranges will be less reliable than others, so I generally would recommend a LID/boosted model for 100% cycling on the HK pistols to snowplow through guns that aren't broken in, or soft shooting ammo, etc.

The LID-variant of the BLACKSIDE is also because some people didn't read (or were sold them by dealers that didn't know what host guns they were made for) and put it on non-approved host weapons, with varying results... we didn't want to leave customers hanging, so when we released a version with a LID, we also did a retrofit program for people that wanted to put them on guns that it wasn't originally envisioned for, just charging the difference in parts between the boosted and unboosted cans, no labor charges.

Kel