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Offline monkeywrench

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Dillon Carbide Dies
« on: February 03, 2007, 05:30:05 AM »
I am trying to resize my .223 brass. Using a Dillon F/L carbide die,adjusted as instructions indicate. However I am finding the shoulder is growing longer not shorter.  Head to datum line before sizing is 1.452. After it is1.458. This is with the die just touching the shell holder. I have trtied the instructions but now I don't know. Case overal length before sizing 1.748. Case length after 1.756. Using a cheaper Lee F/L Die I can get the headspace bumped back. I have heard maybe grinding the end down a little. On a new Die? Any Ideas that I haven't thought of will be appreciated.

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Re: Dillon Carbide Dies
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2007, 10:47:13 AM »
MW, two things I can think of.

First, is the brass adequately lubed? Especially the neck area? I've seen expander balls grab and pull the brass as they are removed if not enough lube is present.

Second, I know you said the dies were adjusted properly. But the #1 reason I've found for this to happen is when the die is not seated as far down as it needs to be. Such as when your trying to bump the shoulder only 2 or 3 thousandths. What happens (especially with mixed head stamps) is that the die does not come down far enough to contact the shoulder adequately and yet the rest of the die is squeezing the brass in other areas, so it flows upward.

ETA: I would try adjusting the die so that the press handle just barely cams over (if it's a single stage). Or just give it another 1/2 turn in at a time if your using a progressive.

And the reasons I mentioned mixed head stamps is that (just as an example), you might set the die up to bump Lake City brass 2 thousandths at the shoulder, and all of the sudden Winchester or Remington brass is not even having it's shoulder touched, this is due to the different thicknesses of brass and how it responds to the sizing operation. Also if some of your brass has been shot more than other pieces, it could be a bit more work hardened and not respond to the die as well.
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Re: Dillon Carbide Dies
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2007, 08:35:30 PM »
Thanks Spiff. I will re-evaluate my process and see if these ideas will help. Maybe I should try some different brass. Maybe some new brass may be the ticket. This will be fired in an AR-15 so I don't need any more problems. Hopefully problems solved before loading many. I want to size on a single stage, then complete the reload on a RL550. Thanks again. Its good to be able to chat with others about this stuff.

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Re: Dillon Carbide Dies
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2007, 07:15:10 PM »
Update to  die problems. After many email sessions with Dillon, I found out that Dillon carbide dies can be bottomed out plus some. Gary from Dillon said not to worry, if the die cracks they will replace it no problem. I also found the decapping stem was bent, after resizing a hundred of course, but Gary is sending a new one , again no problem. Dillon lives up to their word. I also got a Giraud Trimmer. It is great. I don't know about Gracey, but what I have is lightyears ahead of trimming by hand. Too bad I have to uniform primer pockets and deburr flash holes by hand, or by drill. Giraud spoils me, but I can't afford any more gadgets right now. Imperial wax is tough to beat also. Well I guess its back to brass prep for now. Later.

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Re: Dillon Carbide Dies
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2007, 07:50:13 PM »
Great news.  Thanks for the update.
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Re: Dillon Carbide Dies
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2007, 11:45:31 AM »
Are you using military surplus brass?  That could be the reason the primer decapper got bent.  Forcing those crimp primers out is hard on decappers.

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