Author Topic: Gun Show (Read 2010 times)

Nomad · « **on:** January 09, 2009, 08:19:04 AM »

Gun Show this weekend who going.........

fj40mojo · « **Reply #1 on:** January 09, 2009, 04:51:05 PM »

Be there Sunday

jesterbgood · « **Reply #2 on:** January 09, 2009, 05:03:15 PM »

I'll be there Saturday. Hoping to find some AR stuff. What's the best time to get there?

Shortmag · « **Reply #3 on:** January 09, 2009, 05:08:27 PM »

I'll be there saturday morning working the SAWTAC table with Jeff.

SM

Idaho Corsair · « **Reply #4 on:** January 09, 2009, 05:44:19 PM »

If it's at the Fairground, OPEN CARRY if you care about your rights.

Last time around I wasn't able to make it and the nazis were still trying to tell people they couldn't OC (and in at least one case not even CC).

Michael N · « **Reply #5 on:** January 09, 2009, 07:15:51 PM »

If anyone is going please PM me . I am unable to go but would like to see if the guy selling Glock mags on the cheap will be there selling them for cheap still .

fj40mojo · « **Reply #6 on:** January 09, 2009, 08:49:09 PM »

Quote from: Michael N on January 09, 2009, 07:15:51 PM

If anyone is going please PM me . I am unable to go but would like to see if the guy selling Glock mags on the cheap will be there selling them for cheap still .

I'm going on Sunday Mike. I'll call you on your cell if I find any screaming deals.

Michael N · « **Reply #7 on:** January 09, 2009, 09:19:50 PM »

Thanks Pard , just let me know . I am trying to take a class in the morning on the proper operation of a scissor lift but if you call me on my cell I will hit you back ASAP if I miss it .

SNAFU · « **Reply #8 on:** January 09, 2009, 10:04:22 PM »

Quote from: Idaho Corsair on January 09, 2009, 05:44:19 PM

If it's at the Fairground, OPEN CARRY if you care about your rights.

Last time around I wasn't able to make it and the nazis were still trying to tell people they couldn't OC (and in at least one case not even CC).

Bill, Idaho · « **Reply #9 on:** January 10, 2009, 12:41:28 PM »

Well, I got there about 1030 hours on Saturday. The line was almost out to the parking lot. I must confess I haven't been to a Boise show in about 3 years and this is the first time I ever saw a line to get in. Inside it was crowded, and I could not find any deals. I spoke with several venders I know and they said there were very few deals during the set-up the night before either.
I got to meet a couple of the guys on this site. One of the venders I know, (a good friend of mine) said he brought some ammo for a guy to sell. It got marked UP there times before 1030.

SNAFU · « **Reply #10 on:** January 10, 2009, 03:30:41 PM »

Got there at about 11:30 AM, Line was practically non-existent, saw this BS at the gate, then turned around and Went Home.

WTF · « **Reply #11 on:** January 10, 2009, 05:41:15 PM »

Quote from: SNAFU on January 10, 2009, 03:30:41 PM

Got there at about 11:30 AM, Line was practically non-existent, saw this BS at the gate, then turned around and Went Home.

I got there at around 10ish, I didn't see that sign, I cc'ed, cause it was cold, the line was long and took 22 mins to get inside.

everything was mostly overpriced as expected. but I did find some normal pricing on some HSM 45 ammo, and snagged it all up. I doubt I'll be going to any more gun shows for a while cause everything is marked up higher than normal.

bourneshooter · « **Reply #12 on:** January 10, 2009, 08:54:39 PM »

No CCW? Really. So how did I carry Concealed there today? Oh thats right it was concealed. BTW, they can't prohibit guns on the premises no matter how they are carried as it is county property.

SNAFU · « **Reply #13 on:** January 10, 2009, 09:06:24 PM »

Quote from: bourneshooter on January 10, 2009, 08:54:39 PM

No CCW? Really. So how did I carry Concealed there today? Oh thats right it was concealed. BTW, they can't prohibit guns on the premises no matter how they are carried as it is county property.

Should have known....

Think perhaps it was for the swap meet (which is usually crap) or some Anti's might have put that thing up to mess with us?

bourneshooter · « **Reply #14 on:** January 10, 2009, 09:37:28 PM »

They put it up because some dimwits will pull out their Concealed Carry Weapon and chamber check with their finger on the trigger - resulting in a ND.

So the gun show hosts put it up - by default creating a gun free zone.

SNAFU · « **Reply #15 on:** January 10, 2009, 09:50:47 PM »

Quote from: bourneshooter on January 10, 2009, 09:37:28 PM

They put it up because some dimwits will pull out their Concealed Carry Weapon and chamber check with their finger on the trigger - resulting in a ND.

So the gun show hosts put it up - by default creating a gun free zone.

Perhaps it's time that someone should point out the fact to them that doing that looses them a LOT of business...

As I was snapping that pic I Heard another unimpressed person who also left tell a guy with him that "A sign like that at a Gun Show is like a sign in front of a Church Forbidding the mention of God"
(Kind of Fitting if you ask me...)

fj40mojo · « **Reply #16 on:** January 10, 2009, 11:15:29 PM »

Quote from: bourneshooter on January 10, 2009, 09:37:28 PM

So the gun show hosts put it up - by default creating a gun free zone.

That's an oxymoron-and the folks who decided to put it their are just plain morons.

SNAFU · « **Reply #17 on:** January 10, 2009, 11:20:10 PM »

Quote from: fj40mojo on January 10, 2009, 11:15:29 PM

That's an oxymoron-and the folks who decided to put it their are just plain morons.

+1000

Idaho Corsair · « **Reply #18 on:** January 11, 2009, 01:33:17 AM »

Quote from: SNAFU on January 10, 2009, 09:50:47 PM

Perhaps it's time that someone should point out the fact to them that doing that looses them a LOT of business...

How about what they're doing is in violation of state law... not just losing them business. I'm sick of this bull SH&$ going on. If I had gone I'd Open carry. MAN UP, and flex your God-given and state protected RIGHT to carry. Guys, we're in a volatile time here with Barakman appointing the nazis he is. If you don't even OC to get the current laws correctly enforced I wondering what you'll do when your ARs are flat out banned, like turn em in banned. A lot of good they'll do you sitting in a tube in the forest.

Idaho Corsair · « **Reply #19 on:** January 11, 2009, 01:35:38 AM »

Oh, and a big sincere thanks to SNAFU for taking that pic for us.

SNAFU · « **Reply #20 on:** January 11, 2009, 02:57:36 AM »

Quote from: Idaho Corsair on January 11, 2009, 01:35:38 AM

Oh, and a big sincere thanks to SNAFU for taking that pic for us.

NP, Reflex Action.

Want the Full Rez one?

WTF · « **Reply #21 on:** January 11, 2009, 12:29:34 PM »

If this is a clear Violation of our civil rights, one should be able to retain any attorney and collect some damages, or get things straighten out with the AG.

Idaho Corsair · « **Reply #22 on:** January 11, 2009, 01:09:40 PM »

AAR for ya:

I OC'd to the Gun Show today, knowing I would likely be denied entry or other such things. To me this is a matter of rule of law. If it's illegal and they can deny me, I'm happy to walk away, but if it's not, then we must push to see justice upheld. Thanks to Jeff for calling me this morning to make the sign out front (pic of it above) and "urgent" matter to me.
So I walked in, OCing, paid, and asked to see the manager since they hadn't said anything about my gun. Anyhow, the end result is that I asked very politely a few questions and then since the manager was dragging his feet, I suggested we call Ada County to show up. Two officers showed up and we talked it over a bit.
Result:
* Fair Grounds security head dude pulled the sign from out front, though all guns were still unloaded and zip tied when you entered the show. So really nothing changed.
* I learned (according to the show manager) that it was REQUIRED in his contract with Ada County, as in Ada County told him he had to, that the sign be out front and that all firearms be unloaded (major problem if true)... though he did say with no reservations that he wouldn't allow loaded firearms regardless of the stipulations he said Ada County imposed on him via the lease. I must make it clear, I like the show manager Paul, he's a good guy, and was nice about it, but has an odd view that "for safety and because of past ND's" he still wants all guns unloaded. Again, he was cool about it all, and while we disagreed in an issue, I made it clear my issue was not with him, but rather, I wanted to clear up something with Ada County and unfortunately he got stuck in the middle.
* BOTH Ada County officers who showed up (names withheld for now) were professional, courteous, (I mean that, not just saying it) and all in all spot-on in how they handled everything. No complaints about either of them... and I find it easy to complain.

* I was told I was born a hundred years too late (a compliment I think) LOL

* At this point we are pending the two officers getting back to me as the carry-loaded or not issue really boils down to what authority and powers are conveyed from the County to the person who leases the property from them, which is a rather technical question. Do they (for the duration of the lease) "own/possess/control" the property as they would their own land, or with stipulations? ... and if there are any stipulations, what do they cover? So both officers said they would contact the County Prosecutor and inquire into this matter for me.

I'll update you guys as I'm updated and/or find out more.

Bill, Idaho · « **Reply #23 on:** January 11, 2009, 02:06:52 PM »

On a related note: At the Canyon County Fair several years ago, the same issues surfaced. The person that owned the carnival and rented the property for the duration of the fair wanted a sign posted indicating they did not want any weapons on the carnival property.
As the ranking LE person assigned directly to the fair, I brought it up to one of our Prosecuting Attorneys. My question was can a person that temporarily "owns" the property deem conditions contrary to common law? Technically, make regulations that are stricter than in this case, state law. The response I got was since the person (the carnival owner in this particular instance) leased the property, they can make rules or conditions to their standards, which means now it is somewhat like private property. Example: If a person walks into my house, I can demand they don't wear a red shirt. If they don't like it , they don't have to come in.
The carnival owner had "no foul language of offensive display of language" (or something like that, heck, it's been ten years now). A kid thinking he was cool wore a t-shirt that said " F#%K YOU". In letters about 4 inches tall, and it was spelled without the replacement letters I put in. We asked the owner if that was offensive by his standards. He said, yes, and out the kid went. His rules, his determination.
I think in a left-handed sort of way, this is the same thing.
For the record, I am not condoning the policy of what ever they are trying to acomplish at the Boise Gun show.
I'm just sayin;.

ponder · « **Reply #24 on:** January 11, 2009, 04:21:33 PM »

Quote from: Bill, Idaho on January 11, 2009, 02:06:52 PM

On a related note: .................

Using that logic - Try posting "NO FUXKING FAGS!", "NO KIKES", "NO BLACKS" , "NO BIBLES ALLOWED, OPEN OR CLOSED", "NO CLOTHES ALLOWED", "NO ARMED COPS ALLOWED", "NO WOMEN ALLOWED - MALE BONDING IN PROGRESS", "NO WHEEL CHAIRS ALLOWED".

fj40mojo · « **Reply #25 on:** January 11, 2009, 04:56:20 PM »

I CC'd. Had no problems whatsoever. No sign was displayed when a I went in shortly after noon. Went about my business and enjoyed the show for the most part. Prices seemed a bit high, but I expected that.

SNAFU · « **Reply #26 on:** January 11, 2009, 08:14:12 PM »

Quote from: Idaho Corsair on January 11, 2009, 01:09:40 PM

* I learned (according to the show manager) that it was REQUIRED in his contract with Ada County, as in Ada County told him he had to, that the sign be out front and that all firearms be unloaded (major problem if true)... though he did say with no reservations that he wouldn't allow loaded firearms regardless of the stipulations he said Ada County imposed on him via the lease. I must make it clear, I like the show manager Paul, he's a good guy, and was nice about it, but has an odd view that "for safety and because of past ND's" he still wants all guns unloaded. Again, he was cool about it all, and while we disagreed in an issue, I made it clear my issue was not with him, but rather, I wanted to clear up something with Ada County and unfortunately he got stuck in the middle.

If True, someone in the County is either not paying attention to the law, or may be trying to be a problem.

the part I made bold bugs me a bit (unless i'm reading wrong).

Good Info though dude.

Jeff · « **Reply #27 on:** January 11, 2009, 08:14:43 PM »

RG, I was swept a LOT. Mostly by people looking at stuff on our table.

At least I knew they were empty and they were zip tied. It's damn near impossible to pull a firearm off the table and not sweep someone. The only thing that really worked was the rifle rack. Those rifles stayed pointed up most of the time.

Jeff · « **Reply #28 on:** January 11, 2009, 08:34:47 PM »

Yea, I'm not saying I liked it or felt good about it. But, if a firearm is laying on a table and it get's picked up it will likely sweep someone somewhere before it gets pointed high enough upwards. That's just the way it is. The dumbshit sweeping me three feet in front of them was just stupid and reckless. Not everyone was like that.

Yesterday was pretty busy. Today was definitely slower.

Jeff · « **Reply #29 on:** January 11, 2009, 08:35:55 PM »

BTW, there were no ND's this time. That I'm aware of.

Idaho Corsair · « **Reply #30 on:** January 12, 2009, 08:48:27 AM »

Quote from: SNAFU on January 11, 2009, 08:14:12 PM

If True, someone in the County is either not paying attention to the law, or may be trying to be a problem.

the part I made bold bugs me a bit (unless i'm reading wrong).

Good Info though dude.

The part you bolded was the show manager's (the guy who leased the property, read Bill's post above regarding leasing county land) words, not any county employee... if he has the right, then he has the right. BUT what bugs me is that he said the County REQUIRED him to post the sign and have the policy [of unloaded firearms only]... THAT for sure is a flagrant violation of law.

Now, what's interesting is the show manager got ahold of the County employee who was in charge of Fair security and was told at least the sign had to go 100% for sure (thus why one of you who went after 12 didn't see it, they had taken it down). It seems to me if he has the right to unload the firearms, then he should have the right to the sign... but hopefully we'll know later today.

SNAFU · « **Reply #31 on:** January 14, 2009, 10:20:55 PM »

any updates?

bandlwas · « **Reply #32 on:** January 14, 2009, 11:52:26 PM »

I got to the show around 1 and there was no sign in sight! And also no good deals to be had! Just lots of JUNK and over priced ok stuff. Which was pretty disappointing. My buddy was even more disappointed because he had $1200 bucks burning a hole in his pocket for a new AR and could not spend it! In fact we were kicking ourselves because as we got there a guy was leaving with one on his back for sale and we passed it up! The only good deals we saw were going down in the parking lot between private partys?!?

bourneshooter · « **Reply #33 on:** January 15, 2009, 10:28:43 AM »

The AR's that were there for 1200 required work on them to make them reliable - staking gas keys, extractor upgrades, staking carrier nut, etc. If any LMT or Colts would have been found for that price it would have been worth it.

Idaho Corsair · « **Reply #34 on:** January 15, 2009, 01:49:00 PM »

After one of the officers who responded to the Fair Grounds on Sunday got back with me (after speaking with the county prosecutor) this is the deal with the fairgrounds and unloaded guns: apparently when the county leases out land (like this recent gun show), it essentially transfers all rights of control over to the person who leases it. Thus they CAN make people unload at the door if they want to. There you have it. I'm still trying to get a copy of the lease cause rumor had it that the County was requiring the unloading and no-loaded firearms sign (and that for sure is illegal for them to do). Just trying to hold em accountable to the rule of law, and not rule of whim.

Again, good things to say about the two officers who responded.

NGO · « **Reply #35 on:** January 15, 2009, 03:14:21 PM »

They don't transfer all rights of control....It still is "owned" by the county.

County has guidelines on what can be allowed while it is rented...

If they gave up control someone could tear down walls and repaint the place right? The county would be able to stop you and terminate the "leasing" agreement if you did that. So that means it is still controlled by the county.