Author Topic: LRTR Jan 2009 (Read 2427 times)

maximum ordinate · « **on:** November 23, 2008, 05:59:17 PM »

Winter LRTR

Nomad · « **Reply #1 on:** November 24, 2008, 08:24:48 AM »

Sounds like fun getting ready for rockchucks, shooting steel priceless..........

luvmy45 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 29, 2008, 11:22:14 PM »

Yo, Maxi

You getting the winter blues and need to get out and shoot

12 days... just enough time for some quality reloading to get my loads all ready... Hmm, I wonder if they'll do a 1000 yard shot?

One could only hope.

Brian

EDGE · « **Reply #3 on:** December 30, 2008, 10:23:00 AM »

Longbow and I went over some ideas for COF's a couple of weeks ago. In some respects we felt like we should do another "training" type shoot, because we haven't done that for a while and there are a few new shooters who may benefit from it. It will still be fun and challenging for those experienced shooters also.

Details will come soon.

luvmy45 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 30, 2008, 10:07:18 PM »

Training is good

Lord knows I need to work on my UKD's. I suck at those.

If I know the range, I'm pretty confident I can hit it. If I have to MIL it, well, bring it on, I need practice that more.

I'd like some tower shooting as well... that's always fun, bit dangerous in the winter on the ladder, but fun nevertheless.

Whatever you guys come up with... it will be a blast!!!!! Thanks!

Brian

EDGE · « **Reply #5 on:** December 31, 2008, 11:34:25 AM »

Here you go:

Gentlemen,

I really apologize for doing this but I must change the date to the 17th of
January. The second weekend is LaGrande IDPA event and they are shooting
that day and of course Rocky is in charge of that program so..............I
think I have the second weekend as not being available for LRTR or Patrol
shoots burned into my head now......

As usual this will be a two man team event.

We are looking at shooting up to 8 target arrays out to 1000 yards from a
static position.

Teams will be squaded into groups of four and given a certain period of time
to engage a specific target array. Teams
will then move to the next array at the end of the given time. We are
planning on using all moving type targets so they will be easy to determine
hits and misses.

Plan on bringing 100 rounds. We will have chronographs set up to gather load
data. NO spotter rifle or pistol for this
event.

Match fee is $20.00 and we will provide lunch, hot drinks.

What to bring? All your LRTR gear, clothing for weather conditions, own
snacks, shooting pad or tarp as we may be laying on snow or soggy soil. Ammo
and gun.

ng
R2

Nomad · « **Reply #6 on:** January 01, 2009, 04:29:38 AM »

Thanks for the heads up........
Looking to teg [all turned around] there need to get to-gether yet....

luvmy45 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 08, 2009, 07:50:10 AM »

Here's the chance to practice your long range shooting skills. Cheap range fee. Great time with cool guys, and you may even walk away with some bragging rights

You only need around 100 rounds, and I have yet to shoot that many, usually around 80. (But I always bring more!)

Jan 17th - And if you don't feel like you have a LRTR rig, come out anyway, were a friendly bunch and you'll still have fun, and you can see what your options are from cheap (Savage 10) to Sandbox ready (Ugh never had one like that but I know some guys out there do)

Brian

EDGE · « **Reply #8 on:** January 08, 2009, 09:33:50 AM »

I'll ditto 45's comments here. This shoot will be more of a training session with lots of fun rolled in. If you'd like to learn about Long Range shooting, this is the best chance to do so. Our next shoot will be the offsite LRTR shoot. (unless we do an informal LRTR shoot, which I'm looking into).

It will be very relaxed and you'll have many people who've done this before there to help out. Should be a good time!

luvmy45 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 10, 2009, 04:03:36 PM »

Gratuitous bump because you long range guys won't want to miss this... and range report to pass the time.

25 degrees
27.68 pressure
Wind, nada at 10:30am

Range conditions, overcast, but clear, relatively perfect day for long range shooting.

Goals for the day
1 - Check zero of rifle... after my 1000yard shot last month, I couldn't remember if in my exuberance if I zero'd my knobs on the scope, and I wanted to make sure I was good to go for LRTR. (Remember that is Next week!!!)
2 - check POI shift on new bench rest primers

Good news, rifle was zero'd - Better news, 1st 3 shots were as good a group as I have ever shot. Results below, that's a dime, and 3 holes behind it. The first shot was cold bore, dirty barrel, not sure which one, and 2 more right next to it. POA was lower right corner of the box, so I'm hitting a 1/2" low, but I can live with that. Question for you all. How do you measure a group this small? Outside edge to outside edge? or do you go center to center? Just curious. It's .597" E to E

Interesting to note, cold bore/dirty on my rifle, would seem to not impact POI. Good news, but I am still collecting information.

Next goal to check variation in Bench rest primers, results, negligible POI change, although I jerked the trigger and spoiled the group.

Next goal... 1000+ yards, I'm addicted, over the fence of off to yonder, figure I may as well go a little further and see if I can extend my range. This is where it gets interesting. If your still following along. ;-)

Laser the distance to my truck 250yards, I know the distance from my truck to Gong in draw is about 850 yards. So I figure I am about 1100 yards from the target.

I layout my gear, buddy has the spotting scope setup, and I mil the target. 36" gong, I get a reading of .9 mils. Both directions in the scope, Exbal does the calc and I get 1111 yards to target.

I dial up 48.75 MOA of dope, as tables report, which just oddly enough happens to be the end of the range for my scope. Wind is 4mph at my 6 so I dial in no windage.

Prepare for 1st shot, and - Miss. :-( Damn, I was feeling lucky too. I see bullet impact in front of gong just under 1 Mil in my scope. Windage, GTG. (good to go)

Chamber 2nd round, hold 1 mil over, dead center and - Miss :-( . But just barely, I see the impact just under the gong by inches, and just right of center.

Chamber 3rd Round, - Hold 1 mil on top edge of gong, and hold just left of center. - HIT!!!!!!

Just to reiterate, I am shooting 168gr SMK, at 2680fps, so this Velocity at this range is 1006fps, so I'm sub sonic at this range, the bullet has to be tumbling. I stop and figure out my actual yardage, 1160yards. I need 53.25 MOA to get there, which is beyond my scope, so I guess it's time to get a 20MOA base.

What sucks here, is that my range estimation was only off by .04. 4 One Hundredths of a mil!!!!! That's a 50 yard and MISS at 1100 yards. So it just underscores to me, the need to be as precise as possible at extreme ranges, and the need for a way to absolutely range at that distance. I know the Swarvoski RF can do it, any others that are less money able to range on a 36" plate at that distance?

Back to shooting, wondering if it's a fluke, I chamber up another round, hold same spot. top edge just left of center with the 1 mil dot, and - GONG.

At this point, I turn the rifle over to my friend, he miss's three times, but not on range, just on windage, all shots just right of gong, so I don't know if the wind changed out there, if he was jerking, or if it's ballistics of the 168gr bullet.

So the question I have, with the bullet going sub sonic at that range, ballistics become what? a guessing game? I'm guessing that much beyond this range and I will get very unpredictable, and unrepeatable. Would that be correct?

I have about 150 loaded rounds of 168SMK left, and once those are gone, I'm on on to the 175's which should give me some more consistent range, correct? Maybe 1200 to 1300 yards, and then I guess after that, it's time to start saving for the next step up.

And yes, I remembered to zero my scope this time, so I am ready for next week! Bring It!!!!!!!

Brian

EDGE · « **Reply #10 on:** January 10, 2009, 04:48:18 PM »

.597" - .308" = .289" group. Nice shootin' Tex!

175's will get you a bit further out, depending on your speed and conditions. After the bullet goes subsonic, it can do almost anything. It could keep on a predicted path or start tumbling any which way. It can be difficult to figure out, but one thing you could do is set up a paper target at 1000 yards, then after you start hitting the metal target, transistion to the paper and see what your groups look like and if the bullet is tumbling.

The 175's may work better and they may not. Depends on your rifle and your load. I personally like them better than other bullets I've tried.

Leica range finders may range that far. I think they are a bit cheaper. The Leupold won't.
Swaro will.

luvmy45 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 10, 2009, 06:15:46 PM »

That makes sense on the group size calc... the theoretical perfect group size would be zero deviation.

Dang, missed that 1/4 MOA group, by .039" of an inch.

See you next Saturday!!

Brian

tgibson · « **Reply #12 on:** January 10, 2009, 08:51:14 PM »

I don't want to be a party crasher, but I really don't want to hear any more about the LRTR match. I am stuck in VA and will miss another one of these matches!! I have been trying to make it to one of these for two years now and my new sweetheart is calling my name!!

All kidding aside, that is some good shooting B! Sounds like all of your hard work and data collecting are paying off! Congradulations!!
Adios,
TG

luvmy45 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 10, 2009, 10:21:06 PM »

I could always gather some data for you from your rifle.

Brian

fj40mojo · « **Reply #14 on:** January 10, 2009, 11:19:27 PM »

Travis,
It will be a real hardship for me but I could take Lil' Mack out to Parma for you. I'd hate for her to miss LRTR on account of you.

tgibson · « **Reply #15 on:** January 11, 2009, 07:34:00 PM »

YOU GUYS ARE ALL SORTS OF HELPFULL!!! Thanks for the offers, but I'll suffer through it until I can make one of the matches myself!

Adios,
TG

Nomad · « **Reply #16 on:** January 11, 2009, 07:57:24 PM »

TG bring your weapon out and lessons will be there?

??or just
show up be glad to shot with you.........
And the 175 seems to shoot at a 1000yds a little better now as for the aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
EDGE he distroys targets and stops matches bad news for those who follow him

fj40mojo · « **Reply #17 on:** January 11, 2009, 09:22:38 PM »

Quote from: tgibson on January 11, 2009, 07:34:00 PM

YOU GUYS ARE ALL SORTS OF HELPFULL!!! Thanks for the offers, but I'll suffer through it until I can make one of the matches myself!
Adios,
TG

I am an overflowing wellspring of compassion and uh...guess not!

luvmy45 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 11, 2009, 10:09:20 PM »

Quote from: Nomad on January 11, 2009, 07:57:24 PM

now as for the aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
EDGE he distroys targets and stops matches bad news for those who follow him

Range limited to 1000yards. So the Edge should leave the 1 Mile Ringer at home.

Then again, if we have the time I think we could setup a 1 mile shot out there. Might be kinda of fun, give him a $1 for a chance to shoot at a 1 Mile Gong.

Brian - Stuck at 2/3rd of a Mile Ringing gong, Currently

Nomad · « **Reply #19 on:** January 12, 2009, 07:56:54 PM »

There will be targets past 1000 yards........maybe to 1500 yards.....
Edge your rifle has a place..........
come out Friday and help setup
Good news NO lazier range finders at this shoot now swag or mil or what ever..
Can we do it yes UTM and a map base of ten............

fj40mojo · « **Reply #20 on:** January 12, 2009, 10:08:54 PM »

Quote from: Nomad on January 12, 2009, 07:56:54 PM

There will be targets past 1000 yards........maybe to 1500 yards.....
Edge your rifle has a place..........
come out Friday and help setup
Good news NO lazier range finders at this shoot now swag or mil or what ever..
Can we do it yes UTM and a map base of ten............

Here's a chance to use that trig that you never thought you'd need!

luvmy45 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 12, 2009, 10:51:12 PM »

Quote from: Nomad on January 12, 2009, 07:56:54 PM

Can we do it yes UTM and a map base of ten............

You are quite the poet, don't we know it.

OOOOO, targets past 1000! YESSSS!!!!!! Oh wait, I limit out at 66 MOA, and that's with 5 Mil's of hold over... Hmmm... that's about 1325 yards, and that's a hell of a lob, 75' to be approximate...

Hope the wind ain't blowin'

Oh, we are going to have FUN!!!!!

Brian

luvmy45 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 13, 2009, 07:16:41 AM »

If they do that kind of yardage, maybe it will be a shared rifle/ammo that everyone uses at that FFP.

Hmmm....

That might be kinda of a cool stage. A UKD, here's the ballistics for this bullet that is loaded for you, you get one shot on target. Range it and go.

Hmm, have to ask the Grand Puba

Brian

Spiff · « **Reply #23 on:** January 13, 2009, 07:30:41 AM »

Quote from: luvmy45 on January 12, 2009, 10:51:12 PM

You are quite the poet, don't we know it.

OOOOO, targets past 1000! YESSSS!!!!!! Oh wait, I limit out at 66 MOA, and that's with 5 Mil's of hold over... Hmmm... that's about 1325 yards, and that's a hell of a lob, 75' to be approximate...

Hope the wind ain't blowin'

Oh, we are going to have FUN!!!!!

Brian

Always!!

TAZZ500 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 13, 2009, 07:55:11 AM »

Zona! No posting before you have your coffee. I will bring the cannon and 100 rounds of ammo so if there are long shots look at it as a way to play with a new toy and take a cool shot at distance. I think that the original post said something about targets being out as far as 1000 yards, which probably means slightly less than 1000, almost any 175 grain bullet should be able to get out there. If not I will donate 5 rounds of .338 to the Zona good morning wake up fund.

EDGE · « **Reply #25 on:** January 13, 2009, 08:21:25 AM »

Vesper will be there.
Whether she comes out to play will be up to her.
However, she loves to see steel cower in fear!

EDGE · « **Reply #26 on:** January 13, 2009, 08:41:22 AM »

vesper:

–noun 1. (initial capital letter) the evening star, esp. Venus; Hesper.
2. Also called vesper bell. a bell rung at evening.
3. vespers, (sometimes initial capital letter) Ecclesiastical. a. a religious service in the late afternoon or the evening.
b. the sixth of the seven canonical hours, or the service for it, occurring in the late afternoon or the evening.
c. Roman Catholic Church. a part of the office to be said in the evening by those in major orders, frequently made a public ceremony in the afternoons or evenings of Sundays and holy days.
d. evensong.

4. Archaic. evening.
–adjective 5. of, pertaining to, appearing in, or proper to the evening.
6. of or pertaining to vespers.

Basically, means the last prayer of the day, thus the rifle named Vesper, because when she lines up on you, it's light's out.

It's the only gun I have named.....................so far.

TAZZ500 · « **Reply #27 on:** January 13, 2009, 08:52:32 AM »

Hmmm naming a rifle is perhaps an acceptable form of bonding?

Nice Zona, I thought maybe you woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning!

I am looking forward to the match actually as I have not been out shooting the rifle for quite some time now. Something about a small car with low profile wheels does not fair well with unimproved roads and several inches of snow.

Looking forward to doing some distance shooting and getting that long awaited cold weather data logged.

Nomad · « **Reply #28 on:** January 13, 2009, 12:46:52 PM »

Targets can be set at different ranges the main match will be around 1000yds
As for steel ringer or the one who distroys MGMs targets distance is your friend
at least says a badger at 1600yds......plus.......

luvmy45 · « **Reply #29 on:** January 13, 2009, 06:17:10 PM »

Quote from: EDGE on January 13, 2009, 08:21:25 AM

Vesper will be there.
Whether she comes out to play will be up to her.
However, she loves to see steel cower in fear!

ManOnFire · « **Reply #30 on:** January 14, 2009, 05:44:30 PM »

I got work off so I'll be there as well! that is, if I can reload 100rds after work friday

Anyways, I have yet to take my gun past 200 yards, but I'm shooting almost 1/4 moa at 200. Sounds like this event is pretty first-timer freindly, but does anyone have any suggestions what I should do to prepare for much farther distances than what I'm use to? online balistic calculator?

luvmy45 · « **Reply #31 on:** January 14, 2009, 06:18:15 PM »

Quote from: ManOnFire on January 14, 2009, 05:44:30 PM

I got work off so I'll be there as well! that is, if I can reload 100rds after work friday Anyways, I have yet to take my gun past 200 yards, but I'm shooting almost 1/4 moa at 200. Sounds like this event is pretty first-timer freindly, but does anyone have any suggestions what I should do to prepare for much farther distances than what I'm use to? online balistic calculator?

You will have a blast, and learn a lot! I do every time I take my gun (sorry I don't have a cute name for it yet) out for a spin.

My first LRTR last Jan, was with a new gun too, only had about 20 rounds through it. Printed out some ballistic tables from Eskimo http://www.eskimo.com/~jbm/calculations/calculations.html They worked good enough at the time, and my rifle out shot me, and I'm slowly catching up to it.

Brian

fj40mojo · « **Reply #32 on:** January 14, 2009, 08:16:46 PM »

Any spectators want to carpool out to Parma with me? I'm going out early to help setup and then coming back to Boise around 1:00.

Nomad · « **Reply #33 on:** January 14, 2009, 09:09:39 PM »

Set up is on friday and last minute changes if any Sat morning...
Come out and enjoy....As stated earlier Great group there..........

Nomad · « **Reply #34 on:** January 15, 2009, 07:37:47 PM »

Working this weekend Nomad a no show..........Enjoy
GREAT GROUP at LRTR..............

ManOnFire · « **Reply #35 on:** January 16, 2009, 08:11:12 PM »

quick question for you reloaders. I have built up a load using nosler brass, but all I have to load up tonight for tomorrow is lapua. How bad is it if I swap brass with same load? accuracy wise... do they have a check zero session or free fire time before it starts?

Spiff · « **Reply #36 on:** January 16, 2009, 09:34:45 PM »

Quote from: ManOnFire on January 16, 2009, 08:11:12 PM

quick question for you reloaders. I have built up a load using nosler brass, but all I have to load up tonight for tomorrow is lapua. How bad is it if I swap brass with same load? accuracy wise... do they have a check zero session or free fire time before it starts?

They're going to have a chrono there and someone is bound to have software (I think luvmy45 or zona5101 has Exbal on his PDA). Should be easy to come up with a dope chart and you ought to be able to get yourself zeroed to 100 somewhere.

fj40mojo · « **Reply #37 on:** January 17, 2009, 08:13:35 PM »

AAR anyone. I wasn't able to make it due to sick kidlette.

Bill, Idaho · « **Reply #38 on:** January 17, 2009, 08:45:10 PM »

I drove out to the pistol pits to do my monthly rifle qual. There were quite a few rigs parked up on top. Looked like a good turnout.

EDGE · « **Reply #39 on:** January 17, 2009, 09:09:11 PM »

Here are the Scores from todays LRTR:

      Score/# of misses      Score/# of misses      Total
1   Devin     252/2     Aaron     252/6        504
2   Rocky     252/8     Neill     250/12        502
3   Todd     248/10     Zuber     241/8        489
4   Jim     243/17     Dave     234/23        477
5   Tim     214/21     Dave     252/2        466
6   Brian     238/11     Bruce     194/18        432
7   Eric     199/21     Travis     142/32        340
8   Tim     214/32     Chad     162/31        304
9   Ralph     204/20     Dave     95/38        299
10   Steve     140/25     Jim     156/17        296

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