Author Topic: A little help here............. (Read 595 times)

Bill, Idaho · « **on:** December 31, 2011, 06:40:06 PM »

If anyone sees, or hears, of a couple of LAR Grizzly AR style .223 rifles for sale. PLEASE get ahold of me.
That brand isn't real popular, so just in case.

I'm just sayin'.

Thankz.

J Mack · « **Reply #1 on:** December 31, 2011, 07:15:08 PM »

Looks like Alpha Omega has one!
http://www.gunsamerica.com/945979749/Guns/Rifles/AR-15-Rifles-Small-Manufacturers/Complete-Rifle/LAR_Grizzly_15_M4_223.htm

I know, I know, don't shoot the messenger

9Shooter · « **Reply #2 on:** December 31, 2011, 08:28:25 PM »

One on zidaho too. http://listings.zidaho.com/ZIdaho%20Classifieds/7742783/clicknbuy.aspx?networkview=False&catid=OO46e&pcatid=OO46&procid=f7744eb7-7a88-4714-ad74-4b33a61ae3f9

Just curious since your OP was a little vague, are you looking because you like the Grizzly and want a matching set or should we be keeping our eyes out for a couple of stolen rifles?

AR10ER · « **Reply #3 on:** December 31, 2011, 08:55:47 PM »

Quote from: J Mack on December 31, 2011, 07:15:08 PM

Looks like Alpha Omega has one!
http://www.gunsamerica.com/945979749/Guns/Rifles/AR-15-Rifles-Small-Manufacturers/Complete-Rifle/LAR_Grizzly_15_M4_223.htm

I know, I know, don't shoot the messenger

Maybe if he went in uniform they would not molest him.

agunforeachhand · « **Reply #4 on:** December 31, 2011, 11:56:57 PM »

Quote from: AR10ER on December 31, 2011, 08:55:47 PM

Maybe if he went in uniform they would not molest him.

Bill, Idaho · « **Reply #5 on:** January 01, 2012, 07:49:19 AM »

A couple got stolen from the rural Caldwell area. They were purchased at................................................................Alpha Omega. (And even after presenting my credentials for information about them, I got a load of hassles.)

Anyway, I just opening up possible different venues to find them.
(BTW, they claim to have sold 7000 guns this year. Yeah, right.)

Joey · « **Reply #6 on:** January 01, 2012, 12:15:55 PM »

Quote from: Bill, Idaho on January 01, 2012, 07:49:19 AM

(BTW, they claim to have sold 7000 guns this year. Yeah, right.)

I bet Impact or Boise Gun, might be close to that number?
But I don't see A O doing that kind of business.

Maybe they don't run off EVERYONE?

junkie · « **Reply #7 on:** January 01, 2012, 03:40:23 PM »

Maybe he goes out of town to shows to sell stuff.

Will keep my feelers out, we are having a gunshow at Nampa next week if you can get me details I can pass out flyers or a note to all the dealers at the show. If anyone else has had stolen guns PM the details and I will get them added to the list.

avking · « **Reply #8 on:** January 01, 2012, 05:32:58 PM »

I don't exactly blame him for not wanting to work with LE on gun related matters. Anything beyond his legal obligation, that is. I know you are a local leo, but like it or not, you are not the friend of gun rights. Now, I of course do not mean you personally or even your department. I don't know either you or the department, but the government in general is not exactly friendly and supportive of gun enthusiasts.

Farlo · « **Reply #9 on:** January 01, 2012, 07:45:08 PM »

Good luck, Bill. My XDm still hasn't turned up. Ada County caught the little bugger who took it, but he sold it the Bosnian gun runners working out of Garden City. Probably gone.

birddog1989 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 01, 2012, 11:00:41 PM »

Quote from: avking on January 01, 2012, 05:32:58 PM

I don't exactly blame him for not wanting to work with LE on gun related matters. Anything beyond his legal obligation, that is. I know you are a local leo, but like it or not, you are not the friend of gun rights. Now, I of course do not mean you personally or even your department. I don't know either you or the department, but the government in general is not exactly friendly and supportive of gun enthusiasts.

That's right blame the COP's. Because we are the ones that make the laws and put all the shit head politicians in office. You said don't take it personally and put some bullshit qualifier at the end of your statement like that makes it OK. It doesn't. That's like seeing military personell and calling them a baby killer or a war monger. The government is shaped by the actions of the "PEOPLE" not the "COPS". We enforce the laws on the books, or try to depending on the Judges, Juries and Prosecutors. If you don't like them get them changed. JHC he is trying to get stolen guns back to the legal owner how is that anti gun?

avking · « **Reply #11 on:** January 02, 2012, 08:40:48 AM »

Quote from: birddog1989 on January 01, 2012, 11:00:41 PM

That's right blame the COP's. Because we are the ones that make the laws and put all the shit head politicians in office. You said don't take it personally and put some bullshit qualifier at the end of your statement like that makes it OK. It doesn't. That's like seeing military personell and calling them a baby killer or a war monger. The government is shaped by the actions of the "PEOPLE" not the "COPS". We enforce the laws on the books, or try to depending on the Judges, Juries and Prosecutors. If you don't like them get them changed. JHC he is trying to get stolen guns back to the legal owner how is that anti gun?

I don't blame LE. I know some and they are good guys. If one of them needed my help in a situation as described I certainly would, but only because I know them personally. You tell me to get things changed and I challenge you to not enforce laws contrary to our constitution and bill of rights. You saying you enforce the laws on the books is like saying jump off a bridge because others do. You know the laws are not right in some cases yet you still enforce them, per your statement. Just because it is on the books does not make it right. I don't know 100% what the wording of the oath a LE takes, but if it says to uphold the constitution, well, just saying.

Based on the limited information we have, someone walks into a gun store with LE credentials and asks for information about a gun sale. They say it is because of stolen guns. How is the store owner supposed to know what is true and what is not. How does he really know it is stollen guns. Are we supposed to just beleive everything an LE says?

And what I said was that the gun store owner should cooperate as much as he is legally obligated. Not more. How is that different than you enforcing the laws on the books, but not what is in the constitution and bill of rights.

Bottom line for me, is that if there is ever a gun grab, like occured in New Orleans, local LE is who will be sent to get your guns. Would you do it or would you quit?

Bill, Idaho · « **Reply #12 on:** January 02, 2012, 12:58:41 PM »

I'm getting to the fuckin' point of hating to post anything anymore.
For the record, I have had to go to other gun shops for the same help, for the same reason, in the same fucking god-damn uniform and didn't get any hassles. The gun store people were jumpin' over themselves to help me get what information I need to help the poor guy that lost his guns.
This didn't start out as another cops-verses-the-world thread. A poor guy lost numerous guns, some were his grandfather's, passed down to him.
Despite what some people think, most cops don't stay up at night just to figure out how to fuck with society. I've been spending my own time, off duty, to help this guy find his guns.

Jebus-phuckin-khrist. It's no wonder why cops hate people. Let' pretend it's raining like hell-and you have just gotten a flat tire. I drive by. Am I "legally obligated" to stop and help? NO. Have I, do I, and will I? Yes, yes, and yes.
I'm sorry I even asked to begin with. I won't again.

agunforeachhand · « **Reply #13 on:** January 02, 2012, 01:20:18 PM »

Quote from: Bill, Idaho on January 02, 2012, 12:58:41 PM

Jebus-phuckin-khrist. It's no wonder why cops hate people. Let' pretend it's raining like hell-and you have just gotten a flat tire. I drive by. Am I "legally obligated" to stop and help? NO. Have I, do I, and will I? Yes, yes, and yes.

Well said Bill. I will keep my eye out!!

forgot to mention that this thread was just a fellow gun guy looking out for another gun guy ( shouldn't matter if bill is LE or not )

....and the smiley isn't because I am being sarcastic. My point is all of the posts have been off topic and should be taken somewhere else. If anybody sees a couple of AR's like the OP asked then help him out. That is all.

Too much politics here anymore

Evergreen · « **Reply #14 on:** January 02, 2012, 01:23:59 PM »

I've gone to a lot of police forums just for fun.. I actually am pretty surprised at how pro-gun most cops are, despite the accusations of some of the tin-foil hat wearing naysayers. However, I have to be impartial here.. THere are a lot of cops who defend our freedoms and put their lives on the line to do so. However, there are also those cops who abuse their authority and position. I would say in Idaho, for the most part, the local LEO is on our sides and would watch our back in a gun-grabbing crisis. Seriously, the New Orleans cops have one of the worst track records in the country. I think it is insulting to compare police here to ones in liberal/corrupt New Orleans. I went to a police web site once and asked what I should say in event of a self-defense shooting. One officer took a lot of time to explain in detail what i should say and it was sound advice I still accept to this day.

And, how can we blame the cops who are performing their duties as best as they can anymore to a taxpayer who is supporting with his tax money anti-gun measures in the government? My feelings are, more times than not, most cops around here, at least with gun rights, have been more on the side of the citizen versus the bureaucracy.

Sorry, I'm butting out of this one now.. Bill, I really hope you can help the guy recover his stolen weapons. Really sucks these things happened. With heavier duty home gun safes and IP Internet web cams, gun thefts should really start to become a thing of the past I hope.

avking · « **Reply #15 on:** January 02, 2012, 02:25:24 PM »

To those who know me well, I am far from a Tin Foil Hat guy. And I do not hate or think all LEO are evil. As for Bill helping someone on his own time, I think that is very kind of him. He is most likely an outstanding person to know and the kind of LE we wish all were.

BUT, to me there is a bottom line. And that is LE in general, enforces laws contrary to the constitution. It is a choice they make. Maybe they do it, because all the good they do, outweighs the bad. Maybe they do it because they don't care. Maybe they do it because they think the law on the book trumps the old and outdated constitution. I am sure there are plenty that do it for all those reasons and many more. I am also sure there are some that look the other way when it comes to laws they think are wrong. I realize it is the goverment, system, politicians that are broke and it is not the person wearing the badge. And no, I do not know what the fix is. But, just because I don't know how to fix it, does not mean it is not broke. The vast majority of LE are good people. But most (not 100% all) would still arrest you if you had a rifle with a barrel shorter than 16". That last statement is my opinion, not necessarily fact.

We also know that LE and Federal LE are not always honest when investigating something. There is nothing stopping them from telling you one thing when they are really looking for something else. If you volunteer the information, they can still use it.

As a result, we need to be cautious in our dealings with LE when it comes to firearms related matters. I would certainly help with a flat tire in the rain, car accident, out of gas, and the list goes on.

If the order came down to confiscate guns, like has occured in more than just New Orleans, how many LE would refuse? I certainly do not know the answer and no one can truthfully claim to know it. I have checked out the forums as well and there are plenty of LE on both sides of the fence. You will find many that support gun owners and plenty that do not.

As for our Idaho LE being better supporters than the rest. Well, maybe in some matters but not others. Our Republican Governor and LE Officials shot down the campus carry. That is not very supportive.

All I was originally saying was that I don't think we should look poorly on a gun store, that only provides what he is legally obligated, when receiving a request from any LE department or agency. And while I could be totally wrong, I assumed the request in this case, was for information about someones firearm purchases. (Like, Guy A had some guns stollen. Can you give me info about some guns he purchased). I personally, would not want a gun store to provide any information about my purchases. If that information is needed, I can always go to the gun store and get it myself.

My opinion may not be popular, but it is what it is.

avking · « **Reply #16 on:** January 02, 2012, 02:27:24 PM »

Quote from: agunforeachhand on January 02, 2012, 01:20:18 PM

Well said Bill. I will keep my eye out!!

forgot to mention that this thread was just a fellow gun guy looking out for another gun guy ( shouldn't matter if bill is LE or not )

You are right. I took it off topic and should have either put it in a different thread or recognized his good intentions in my comments.

Jeff · « **Reply #17 on:** January 02, 2012, 03:03:09 PM »

OK, enough LEO bashing.

birddog1989 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 02, 2012, 04:09:32 PM »

UGH! I need a donut

J Mack · « **Reply #19 on:** January 02, 2012, 05:41:45 PM »

Quote from: Bill, Idaho on January 02, 2012, 12:58:41 PM

I'm getting to the fuckin' point of hating to post anything anymore.

Bill. FWIW I hope you stick around and continue to give us your perspective from an LE point of view!
I have LE friends that go to work to protect the honest citizens and go home at night knowing they have done their job to the best of their ability. That said we universally have a disdain for the ones that give the rest of you a bad name and “I’m sure you know the ones I’m talking about” and unfortunately these are the guys that most of us common non-criminal types come in contact with.

Jeff · « **Reply #20 on:** January 02, 2012, 06:12:16 PM »

BTW, I should have noted that I'm not PO'd at avking. I just don't want this place to become LEO bashing like other gun forums have.

junkie · « **Reply #21 on:** January 02, 2012, 08:09:08 PM »

Quote from: junkie on January 01, 2012, 03:40:23 PM

Maybe he goes out of town to shows to sell stuff.

Will keep my feelers out, we are having a gunshow at Nampa next week if you can get me details I can pass out flyers or a note to all the dealers at the show. If anyone else has had stolen guns PM the details and I will get them added to the list.

Well Bill I did offer to help you out