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Boise Trail Meetup Group Has BS Gun Restrictions Now
« on: December 21, 2011, 10:25:00 PM »
I just received an email from the moderator of the Boise Trial meetup group and the guy is imposing totally BS gun restrictions.  I was hoping to go out and do some hiking and would like to meet new people, since I am new to the area and don't have lot of friends.  I've always enjoyed the outdoors and even though I prefer hiking alone, sometimes it's nice to go out in groups.  Anyhow, I was getting excited about the meetup groups, but now they are enforcing these draconian gun rules.  They are demanding people notify everyone in the party if they are concealing.  Personally, it is no more of his damn business if I am packing a gun, then if I am cirumcised or not; assuming, I am not breaking any laws.  Anyhow, I don't see what other legal basis he has except to banish you from the group, but I just don't like the mentality.  He says if you want to join a hike and carry a gun, it must be a "gun-approved" hike or you must start your own and notify everyone you will be carrying a gun.    I don't like being singled out as a "gun-person" and having to have all the other hikers look at me like I am some sort of dangerous, untrustworthy person now.  I feel very ostracized.None of the meetup hiking groups in Portland did any moderator ever impose such draconian and demonizing restrictions about guns.  Basically, imposing such rules just makes the guy look more like an anal-retentive jerk and all it will do is freak out the other hikers who now are aware there is "dangerous gun people" in the groups.  

The jerk goes as far as saying if I have a concealed weapon I have to show all people in the group my concealed weapons permit for inspection.  FIrst of all, from what I have heard, you don't even need a concealed weapons permit in Idaho if you are carrying outside the city.  Please correct me if I am wrong, I could be!  Nonetheless, I don't need to show anybody, except a LEO my permit for inspection.  I didn't commit any crime or threaten anyone.  It is utterly humiliating!  

One thing I will never do is go into the woods and not carry a gun.  And BTW, all this idiot is doing by promoting gun-free hikes and then specifying the location and times of the hike is telling criminals that a bunch of unarmed morons are going to the woods and will be easy pickings for a robbery where help is too far away.

I'd just thought I vent out my frustration here and hear what others think about it.    I'm planning on writing this guy and would encourage other members here to do the same if they have time.   I'd like to tell him that people should able to defend themselves without being treated like a criminal.

BTW.. I'm not against him imposing rules against open carry on hikes.   I think it's stupid to prevent people from doing it.  However, I understand he has to cater to a crowd of people who may have a fear of guns.  And, I am glad they do allow "open-carry" hikes.  Unfortunately, I notice there is no "open-carry" hikes posted on their meetup group list.  However, what I legally conceal on my body is none of his or anyone else's business.  No,  I don't want to wear the yellow gun patch on my shoulder either to notify everyone I have a gun.

Here is there benevolent team of anti-2A organizers:
http://www.meetup.com/Boise-Trail-Heads/members/?op=leaders

Here is the email I received.. The wording just enrages me:
Quote from: Boise Trail Head Meetup Moderator

Dear Members, we have added a policy page for carrying guns on BTH Outings.  The policy can be viewed at http://www.meetup.com/Boise-Trail-Heads/pages/Gun_Policy/

 

I've inserted the text of the page for all to read.  Thanks in advance for following the policy.

 

All members of the Boise Trail Heads (BTH) have rights. It is the right of this organization to specify certain practices to maintain the rights of those members. Those rights will not violate the law. Those rights may be more stringent than the law.

Carrying Firearms on BTH events will only be permitted in certain circumstances. A permitted example may be where a camping trip is scheduled in an area where predatory animals could pose a threat to the group. However the following conditions must be met.

The host on any event must specify if firearms will be allowed when they first post the event. This must be in Bold Red lettering at the start of the event description so that every member signing on to that event is aware that guns will be allowed.

If the host has done this, all gun carrying attendees must post that they will be carrying a gun at the time they RSVP. It is BTH policy that every person on that event is allowed to be aware of who is carrying a gun.
Only legally owned guns, properly and safely handled are permitted. All gun safety handling procedures must be exercised.

The host may identify the gun carrying member(s) at the beginning of the event if any person attending wishes to know who is carrying a gun. The gun carrying member may wish to do this on their own as a show of good faith.

This holds true even if you have a concealed weapons permit and do not intend to show the firearm. If you carry a concealed weapon, you must be able to produce for inspection your permit to any and all members if requested to do so.

If you do not have a concealed weapons permit, you must display your firearm in plain view at all times, even in your vehicle.

Never assume that it is okay to carry a gun on any BTH activity with disregard for members or BTH policy. Violators may be asked to depart from an event, or even be asked to leave the BTH depending on the severity of the infraction to its policy.

Justifications:
1. These are not hunting events. As such, weapons carried with the intention of hunting are not an appropriate action for the event.
2. Low risk. Large groups ward off predators (whether 4 legged or 2) in Idaho. Traveling in daylight in areas that are only as remote as day trips allow further reduced risks of unsafe engagement. Based on rules of escalation of force, this low risk threshold primarily calls for avoidance of hazards (i.e. walk around a snake) to minimal force (i.e. pepper spray a strange dog if it is considered "vicious" and cannot be avoided).
3. Respect. There are group members that are not comfortable with open carry, some who support it, and some who are neutral. In measuring the overall lack of need for open carry in this situation and respecting everyone's rights and comfort level, attending event members should respect the group at large and not carry open firearms at this type of event.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2011, 10:46:33 PM by Evergreen »
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Re: Boise Trail Meetup Group Has BS Gun Restrictions Now
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2011, 10:51:55 PM »
Ahhhhh, the beauty of ccw.  Besides, what's the worst that can happen?  They'll (politely) ask you to leave, and hand you one of 3 select berry flavored granola bars, wave and smile?  As a ccw holder, it's basically NOYFB wether I'm carrying or not.    IMO, of course.
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Re: Boise Trail Meetup Group Has BS Gun Restrictions Now
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2011, 11:03:10 PM »
I think you should show up and let him know you are carrying then hike with them anyway.  He cant keep you from doing shit. 
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Re: Boise Trail Meetup Group Has BS Gun Restrictions Now
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2011, 11:06:32 PM »
First, just because he says he can do it, doesn't mean he can do it... and the ONLY way he will know you are carrying concealed is if you tell him. So the simple solution is, don't tell him, Concealed means concealed. Period, end of story and away you go.

But, if your looking for a fight, then your going to lose. You will not change his mind. His mind is made up.

However, if you want to rankle his feather just ask him about this statement...

"All members of the Boise Trail Heads (BTH) have rights. It is the right of this organization to specify certain practices to maintain the rights of those members. Those rights will not violate the law. Those rights may be more stringent than the law."

If he believe this statement that he leads off with, then how does he justify suspending your God given right as enumerated in the constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Idaho.

Further more, what right is he maintaining for his member by not allowing your right to legally carry? And is it not a violation of the law to supersede your right to carry? If the USof A says you can carry, and the State of Idaho says you can carry, then how can he say you cannot carry?

Personally, if it was me, I would find a group of people that were like minded and of the same spirit to hang out with, or just enjoy the great outdoors by yourself... nobody is making you hang around them.

They don't have a right to deny you your right, but the do have the right to not be around you if they don't want to.
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Re: Boise Trail Meetup Group Has BS Gun Restrictions Now
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2011, 11:16:11 PM »
I think you should show up and let him know you are carrying then hike with them anyway.  He cant keep you from doing shit. 
Noooo  shit!   I'd get to a resting point, secretly place an electronic Wolf call a short distance away and let 'er rip.  The first thought on everyone's mind (guaranteed) is, "fuck! whose got a gun??"
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Re: Boise Trail Meetup Group Has BS Gun Restrictions Now
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2011, 01:10:58 AM »
I became a former member of Trail Heads within 5 minutes of receiving the email informing me of their new policy.  Consider these two Meetup groups, as they don't appear to have any such anti-carry policies:
http://www.meetup.com/Treasure-Valley-Backpackers/
http://www.meetup.com/IdahoHikingClub/

I haven't joined the two groups above, but probably will shortly (I'm a member of two other Meetup groups, neither of which are hiking or backpacking oriented).  Meetup is a great organization (overall), and does provide lots of opportunities to meet other people with similar interests.

BTW: there are currently no Meetup groups (in the Boise area) that are shooting-related.  Maybe there should be a Boise Shooters group?  Food for thought.

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Re: Boise Trail Meetup Group Has BS Gun Restrictions Now
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2011, 05:56:11 AM »
if you like the people in the group and want to maintain the connection, this can be an opportunity to educate them and have them see ccw and guns in general are not to be feared. Personally, I don't think I'd bother with anybody so narrow minded.
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Re: Boise Trail Meetup Group Has BS Gun Restrictions Now
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2011, 07:28:22 AM »
Evergreen,

How did the subject of guns even come up?  Did you mention that you like to carry a firearm when hiking or was the email an all-inclusive "Do s & Don't s" of the group?  Just curious...

FWIW, No one has the "right" to know you are carrying concealed, the exception being a LEO.
 


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Re: Boise Trail Meetup Group Has BS Gun Restrictions Now
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2011, 09:30:45 AM »
on the link you provided, notice where the meetup group started....NYC, sez it all huh, LOSERS, fuck em
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Re: Boise Trail Meetup Group Has BS Gun Restrictions Now
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2011, 10:11:48 AM »
Evergreen,

How did the subject of guns even come up?  Did you mention that you like to carry a firearm when hiking or was the email an all-inclusive "Do s & Don't s" of the group?  Just curious...

FWIW, No one has the "right" to know you are carrying concealed, the exception being a LEO.
  



ID Tactial, I never sent a single message to them about guns..  Generally, I conceal and don't advertise myself.   I actually haven't joined any of the hikes, but was planning to, especially with the nice weather.   The topic came up, probably because a lot of other people wanted to utilize their 2A rights and the group orgranizers felt it was too "dangerous".  LOL   I just received the email, which shocked the hell out of me.  The wording and mentality is really what got to me.  

Yeah, I think I will sadly kiss this group goodbye.  It is sad that in hipster-liberal Portland I was never questioned by any of the people if I was concealing when we were hiking, but in freedom-loving Boise, I am told I am not allowed to bring my gun on hikes.  It is the irony of it all.   I pack a 44 mag on my chest and my 9mm in my backpack and there is just no way I will hike without them.  I've done a great job concealing my 44mag in the past, but considering the paranoid gun-haters who may be in the group, they may demand me to do something stupid like open my vest and prove I am not packing or something.  That would ruin my day and I couldn't live with that.

It sucks, because I know many of the members of the group probably don't reflect the jerky meetup organizers.  I guess I will stick to hiking alone for now.  I will look at the Idaho Hiking Club and Treasure Valley Backpackers groups as Blown Primer has shown me.  The Boise Trailhead group looked to be the largest and most eventful.  

I definitely second a Boise Shooters Meetup Group.  That would be great.. We had a meetup group like that in Beaverton, OR that met time to time.  
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Re: Boise Trail Meetup Group Has BS Gun Restrictions Now
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2011, 10:48:02 AM »
Start your own meetup group and require CCW. ;)
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Re: Boise Trail Meetup Group Has BS Gun Restrictions Now
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2011, 11:48:54 AM »
It is sad that in hipster-liberal Portland I was never questioned by any of the people if I was concealing when we were hiking, but in freedom-loving Boise, I am told I am not allowed to bring my gun on hikes.  It is the irony of it all.   I pack a 44 mag on my chest and my 9mm in my backpack and there is just no way I will hike without them.  I've done a great job concealing my 44mag in the past, but considering the paranoid gun-haters who may be in the group, they may demand me to do something stupid like open my vest and prove I am not packing or something.  That would ruin my day and I couldn't live with that.

So what? If you want to hike go hiking with them... don't say anything, if they ask, just say no... if you really want to hike with them.

Me thinks you are way to concerned about what other people think about you, it doesn't matter and you are not breaking any law so they can all just be sheeple and wander around thinking that they are safe because they are in a group and nobody is ever going to harm them.

Concealed means concealed, and they can't make you not have it... if anyone asks you say, no, did you see that kestrel nest and the red tail hawk up there? Isn't that amazing?

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Re: Boise Trail Meetup Group Has BS Gun Restrictions Now
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2011, 11:51:15 AM »
Simple solution...Open Carry and don't tell them!

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Re: Boise Trail Meetup Group Has BS Gun Restrictions Now
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2011, 11:53:46 AM »
luvmy45, you are right, screw what they think.   This just leaves me with a sour taste in my mouth.  I hate feeling like I am a criminal.  Essentially, I came to Idaho to try to escape this kind of mentality.  I guess we live in a "global world" now.  It's hard to escape stupidity.  God forbid more people like the BTH meetup mods end up in Idaho government.
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Re: Boise Trail Meetup Group Has BS Gun Restrictions Now
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2011, 01:18:47 PM »
Dear Evergreen,
 :sarcon:
Welcome to Boise. However you're first mistake was to join the hiking group. Just looking at the website shows you they all shop at the co-cop, want medical weed and frequent coffee shops in the North End and revel in the new world order. I came to Boise for the same reason as you. However there are segments of Boise that are  Blue as Blue can be. Look for the stickers on cars "Blue Girl, Red State" Leave "See California" material under the wiper blades for them. However I do know a number of gun carrying Liberals so they are not all bad.  Put your gun in a backpack and if an angry mountain lion or bear comes by let him eat liberals for a bit then pull out your sidearm and save the day. :sarcoff:

Fear not my son. There are a bunch of other groups
Check out Boise Active singles instead.

And of course, put "Concealed" back ito CCW and keep quiet!!
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Re: Boise Trail Meetup Group Has BS Gun Restrictions Now
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2011, 01:49:27 PM »
I am up for some hiking. Need to get back into shape. Let me know.
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Re: Boise Trail Meetup Group Has BS Gun Restrictions Now
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2011, 07:33:43 PM »
That makes me mad just reading it.

I don't believe I'd hang out with that group, or if you have some friends there already, concealed is concealed.  Make sure it stays so.

Grrrrr. >:(

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Re: Boise Trail Meetup Group Has BS Gun Restrictions Now
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2011, 07:57:20 PM »
Why?  He's a nobody, actually less than that. This guy has zero authority, and no ability to enforce what he is blabbing about.

I laugh at it, and conceal away.
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« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2011, 07:08:36 AM »
One way to shut this yahoo up would be to have 20 BS members show up for a hike, all open-carrying the largest hand gun you own.  When he says something, we can all smile and say we're just following his rules.

Do that for 3 or 4 hikes and I bet this group goes underground...  ;D 

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Re: Boise Trail Meetup Group Has BS Gun Restrictions Now
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2011, 08:53:49 AM »
One way to shut this yahoo up would be to have 20 BS members show up for a hike, all open-carrying the largest hand gun you own.  When he says something, we can all smile and say we're just following his rules.

Do that for 3 or 4 hikes and I bet this group goes underground...  ;D 

That would be great!  I'd love it.
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Re: Boise Trail Meetup Group Has BS Gun Restrictions Now
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2012, 09:12:39 PM »
I am up for some hiking. Need to get back into shape. Let me know.

I carry a gun every time I hike. Well I don't hike that much anymore.....Hell I"ll head out on a hike too. Let me know.
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Re: Boise Trail Meetup Group Has BS Gun Restrictions Now
« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2012, 08:09:00 AM »
I always carry when I hike. 

I see a couple of options - First and easiest, you simply break his "rule" in order to follow the rule of law.  You have a CCP, you don't need to tell  anyone if you're carrying.

If you don't like the rule enough, or don't want to go that method, just leave the group.  I'm sure there are lots of people here that would hike with you, and my wife is dying to get out on the trails, so I for one would be in that group.

Then they're is my favorite option.  Show up with your Carbine and a just follow the hiking group.  Idaho has an open carry law, and you're not hiking with their group, just behind them on the same trail.  I read somewhere, "you're either with us, or against us".  That pretty much throws down the gauntlet though.

My choice would be to start a hiking group in this community - just create a sticky topic and post up place and time meetup, estimated distance/time, about 4 or 5 days before departure. 
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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2012, 08:16:44 AM »
Threadus Resuscitation...  ;D

To quote a line from something somewhere, for this thread... "Elvis has left the building"
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« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2012, 09:29:33 AM »
I guess that's what I get for coming back to post after being gone for 8 months and forgetting to check the dates of the posts.  Sorry all.
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Re: Boise Trail Meetup Group Has BS Gun Restrictions Now
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2012, 10:44:11 AM »
I was under the impression that Idaho was an open carry state?  Just strap it to your leg and tell him to get stuffed.