Topic: Is there any way to get increased police presence in a neighborhood?

[jordonhurd]

I caught a couple of douche bags trying to vandalize or steal Christmas lights from the front yard tonight. Lit up turned on Christmas lights! I saw brake lights in an area where no one parks and looked out the window just in time to see the Christmas going out. They heard the door open and jumped in a pickup that took off down the road with no headlights, went round the corner and were gone.

I don't even remember the last time I saw a police car cruise through the neighborhood.

[WTF]

install a dough nut shop next door.

[Bill, Idaho]

In a perfect world, you would have caught them, stripped them naked, spray painted "thief"  across their chests, and tied them to a street sign. (All of this would have been after they quit resisting your attempt to detain them.) (Oh how I wish......................never mind. Back to reality.)

Realistically, where is your neighborhood, and what law enforcement agency has jurisdiction?  I cannot speak for other agencies, but the agency I work for, all you have to do is simply call,  explain what happened, and ask for an extra patrol. (You do have to be somewhat specific about where and at what times the pisstivity is taking place. The cops, as much as you would like to think, cannot babysit a certain area 24/7--we do have the proverbial doughnuts to eat, remember?.
    Neighborhood watch programs work pretty good, as long as you have a large pecentage on board. Once the neighborhood realizes everyone has something at stake-as in their own house/property- people start to give a shit. I doesn't really have to be the formal organized thing either. Walk next door and ask the neighbor if they saw anything, had anything taken or tampered with. Hit every house within a block or two. Sure, it might take some time and you probably have a couple of houses you would rather not deal with, but bury some hatchets and simply talk to them.  Once a bunch of people even catch wind of thievery in their own midst, they will start lookng around a little more. It's only natural.
   Then catch them, strip them down.....and..............oh never mind.  Call the cops.
 

[Bill, Idaho]

AND ANOTHER THING..........speaking of doughnuts...... how many of you have to take a PT test just to GET employed, and to STAY employed?  Working at a store, office, hospital, selling insurance, whatever..... Not very many of you, huh?  If I don't pass my PT test, I look for another job.  So, if I can have a doughnut, I earned it. AND, I'll pay for it in the long run. (Get it?---"long run"?  Get it?......)

I personally watched a fellow deputy bench-pressing about 425 pounds, while carrying on a conversation about his tax returns!!   A guy wouldn't want to even joke with him about doughnuts.
I'm just sayin'.

PLEASE RETURN TO ORIGINAL THREAD. RANT MODE SET TO OFF POSITION.

[2big2fail]

Off topic(but worth the while)
   FUNNY-   I saw once while in traffic, a bumper sticker that plainly said "Bad cop! No donut".  Sorry, but I almost crashed amidst the hysterics. LMAO!! bigtime.  My 4yo in the back at the time joined in, repeating the phrase between breaths of laughter.  Then.  3 weeks later--- wouldn't you know it, I'm stopped for stupid traffic stuff, the same child in back, as soon as the officer bent down to speak into the window- "bad cop no donut" came from the back broken only by hysterical laughter again and again. No attempt to quiet him would work.
     Luckily for me, the cop was in good spirits and thought it was somewhat amusing and I was free to go. 

[High Wall]

Years ago, we lived on a street that ended in a cul-de-sac.  Some people lived in a house in that cul-de-sac that dealt drugs.  There was a steady stream of cars to that house day and night.  One day, a couple of clowns on their way to that house failed to negotiate the curve by my house and ran through a rail fence into the yard across the street.  The people in that house ran a daycare.  Fortunately it was late afternoon by then and all the kids were gone, as the car ran right through some of the play stuff in the yard.  The neighbors were all pretty miffed and let the responding officers know what was going on.  That was not the first time complaints were made about the situation, having been many before and after the crash in the yard.  Nothing was ever done, though.  The situation finally rectified itself when the dealers moved away.  So if you are successful in getting an increased police presence in the neighborhood, I'll be interested to see how you do it.

[e11charlie]

Don't look for increased presence. For 8 months I called the drug detectives. Same situation constant traffic with different cars each time. All I ever got was the attitude "you don't know what you are talking about." One day the officers finally came to my house to get some facts. When he left all I got was "unless we get hard evidence we can't do anything."  So then I thought in my head really isn't that what the detectives were supposed to do, get fricking evidence? Maybe I am mistaken. Sorry Bill if I don't have much faith in LE anymore.  Understandable in the economy. My suggestion to the OP is take are of it yourself. I know do the cops job why? I am not talking or condoning vigilantlyism. The neighborhood watch is a great idea. If you can get people to give a shit about anything but their own property. My old house I was one of three houses out of 50 that did anything. If it is repeated sit up and wait for them. When they show follow them to their home then report it. Make sure you get discriptions of all involved, license plates, time lines etc. take pictures if possible.  Get the "evidence" that the police need. Yes you will have to go to court. They may even come after you.  Happened to me. I prefer a fight, maybe I am just confrontational.

[Evergreen]

I don't know about you guys, but ever since moving to Idaho from Oregon, I am just shocked at the massive police presence.  If you think Idaho is lacking police, you should see how it is in Western Oregon.  In Portland I had my car stolen.  In Eugene I have been burglarized multiple times (both apartment and car).  Also, an old friend of mine in Portland said every person at his job (convenience store) has had two or three guns pointed at their face , aka robbery.  I have seen more people pulled over and more car searches in 2 months of living here than my whole life in Oregon. In some ways, I get a little jittery on the road at night, especially after having a beer in the bar, but in many other ways I feel a lot safer here than in Oregon.

I think the suggestion of donut shop is good.. I always said I would always donate free donuts and coffee to any police who would hang around my neighborhood more  

P.S. Sorry Bill, I know you being an officer, that donut joke must really get on your nerves..  It's kind of like all the nerd jokes I have to put up with as a computer programmer.     When I am pumping iron nobody dare make those around me.   

[emathey]

You could not drink and drive, then you wouldn't have to worry about it.

[jordonhurd]

The neighborhood is just off Montana near the school. I see a Caldwell PD car net the intersection of Montana and Ustick once in a while, just never actually see one in our subdivision.

[Bill, Idaho]

Oh. Caldwell Police.    Call (and document) a bunch of times requesting extra patrol. Count the number of times you actually see a cop car drive around. Document it. Get a bunch of neighbors together and go to a city council meeting.  Show them the numbers.

I feel your pain. 

[e11charlie]

I don't know about you guys, but ever since moving to Idaho from Oregon, I am just shocked at the massive police presence.  If you think Idaho is lacking police, you should see how it is in Western Oregon.  In Portland I had my car stolen.  In Eugene I have been burglarized multiple times (both apartment and car).  Also, an old friend of mine in Portland said every person at his job (convenience store) has had two or three guns pointed at their face , aka robbery.  I have seen more people pulled over and more car searches in 2 months of living here than my whole life in Oregon. In some ways, I get a little jittery on the road at night, especially after having a beer in the bar, but in many other ways I feel a lot safer here than in Oregon.

I think the suggestion of donut shop is good.. I always said I would always donate free donuts and coffee to any police who would hang around my neighborhood more  

P.S. Sorry Bill, I know you being an officer, that donut joke must really get on your nerves..  It's kind of like all the nerd jokes I have to put up with as a computer programmer.     When I am pumping iron nobody dare make those around me.   

Haha Nerd!!!

[Evergreen]

You could not drink and drive, then you wouldn't have to worry about it.

I only drink one beer at a bar, never more.. However, considering I conceal and the laws about intoxication are fuzzy, I still get nervous..  From what I heard, it is up to the discretion of the officer, rather than blood alcohol level to determine if you are considered intoxicated.  At least that's what I have heard, not sure how it all holds up in court.   Sorry, but I cannot pass up the nice breweries here in Boise.

Haha Nerd!!!

 

 

[popsgunner]

Dude, the drinking and carry law is not fuzzy at all...if you drink...AT ALL you are fucking up while carrying. staute says under the influence, so what that means is the first sip you take and swallow means you are under the influence, hence no carry.....although it is justa misdemeanor, you will probably lose your cwp but hey whats one beer.
Pops

[popsgunner]

http://legislature.idaho.gov/idstat/Title18/T18CH33SECT18-3302B.htm

[Evergreen]

http://legislature.idaho.gov/idstat/Title18/T18CH33SECT18-3302B.htm

Hi Pops, I don't know if you're right about this one.  I guess I have to do more reading and asking around, because I am getting mixed messages about this law.  Now, I know in Oregon that you are allowed to drink and carry, as long as your blood alcohol level is under .08.  I keep hearing conflicting opinions about Idaho's laws about this issue.  I cannot believe Idaho has stricter gun laws than Oregon though.  I've actually talked with some legal experts, ranging from police to CHL instructors who told me the position about Oregon's laws on drinking and carrying.   From what I am reading in the link you posted, it says "Intoxicated or Under The Influence".  I am reading that the definition of Under The Influence, is the following:

“A person is under the influence of alcohol when, as a result of drinking any amount of alcohol, his mental or physical faculties are so impaired as to reduce his ability to think and act with ordinary care." Ill. Pattern Jury Instr.-Criminal 23.29 (4th ed.)

I suppose that is a loose term.  I'm thinking this law was implemented for people who are acting impaired, yet somehow have below the legal limit .08.   I mean, the whole "Under The Influence" definition is what I meant by a police officer can judge by their own belief that you are physically and/or mentally impaired due to alcohol consumption.  In this case, every time you go and have a beer and get behind the wheel, you risk a DUI and losing your license and freedoms.  I suppose we should just outlaw bars, brewpubs and restaurants from serving alcohol, altogether.   In reality, I think an officer would usually need some cause to accuse you of behaving irrationally.  I mean we don't live in a police state were cops can just make up any excuse they want to bust people.  Not like where I was in Africa..

I think a person should have the right to go to a restaurant with his family, have a glass of wine or beer and carrying his/her gun with them.  Personally, I am against anti-2A laws and would be hard pressed to sacrifice my freedoms in name of bureaucratic injustice.  Yeah, its just a beer..  It's just my freedom!   I know I should just be a good sheep and cave in.. Maybe, I will, this has been a conflicting issue for me.  Yeah, I suppose I should just write my congressman, that always works.. LOL

Anyhow, I was asking the guys at Sawtooth Tactical about Idaho's laws about having a beer and concealing and they told me that it is not a problem as long as you are not intoxicated.  I believe it was the homebrewer guy who works at Jeff's shop who I talked to about this.  

Anyway, I never advocate for drunk driving ever.  But, having a beer with dinner, I just love that freedom and don't want to lose my 2A rights because of it.

P.S. ON another note.. I am sure if I ever was involved in a defensive shooting and it was noted I had a beer, I am sure that could be used against me in our liberal, anti-2A Court system.

Sorry for hijacking the thread.. Geeesh.. I am a thread terrorist.

[popsgunner]

LOL, you and me my friend, sorry jord, hope the cops ARE beefing up patrols around you, remember ms. quiet .308 is only a text away.
dbags be gone.
POPs

[2big2fail]

   If increased patrolls don't appear after making a proper request by phone, one could always make an appearance at the local department and ask in person.  Putting faces to names usually has a little more persuasion.  If that still doesn't work, find the most wanted poster and shout "Hey!! that's the guy running around my neighborhood"!! 
   As far as drinking and carrying, just don't.  Does anyone whose not an alcoholic really need a beer bad enough while carrying to have to contemplate the repercussions?  Would you drink a beer at the range?  IMO, with freedom comes responsibility on an individual level.  No alcohol, no worries. One less factor to consider should SHTF.

[chubbyhubby]

I read this topic only becaus I anticipated many hilarious and sarcastic comments, but I was disappointed! The story about the kid in the backseat was pretty funny.

So here's my attempt: how do you get increased police presence? Duh- 50 BMG "accidental discharge" hehe

[Evergreen]

I read this topic only becaus I anticipated many hilarious and sarcastic comments, but I was disappointed! The story about the kid in the backseat was pretty funny.

So here's my attempt: how do you get increased police presence? Duh- 50 BMG "accidental discharge" hehe

Just make sure you are shooting blanks 

[avking]

Move out here in the hills and post your property as required. Anyone trying to steal or vandalize up here is asking to get shot. We don't have police patrols. We have no trespassing signs and home defense. Sure, the commute is 45 minutes or so and the winter can be rough, but it is worth it 110%.

[Bill, Idaho]

Isn't it true if you shoot a coyote and leave its body for the other coyotes to see, the others know somehow where ever that body is laying is somewhere NOT to go?

I'm just askin'...................

[luvmy45]

The problem is, if you leave a body laying around in your front yard, it attracts too much attention...

You read the article on KTVB about the 14yr old burgler that was shot by the homeowner...

http://www.ktvb.com/news/regional/14-year-old-shot-after-reportedly-breaking-into-E-Wash-home-135896848.html

I haven't heard the whole story but if it happened the way they said, I wouldn't mind seeing a lot more of these stories... burglar shot by homeowner while breaking into house. That will start making the criminals think twice about doing that.

[jordonhurd]

I don't think a gut shot scum bag in the front yard would really match the Christmas lights. I could be wrong.

[carracer]

Several years ago my Bro-In-Law, with my children in his car with him, came home to a burglary in progress at his house.  Scumbags packing out his stuff into a vw microbus in his back yard.  He called Canyon Co. Sheriff dept. while watching them.  Not only did they not respond, they didn't even come out to take a report.  Not like he lived way out of town...farmway and linden.

[Bill, Idaho]

    I work for Canyon County Sheriff's Office and have for the last 20 years. I know of NO time when our dispatch has ever received a call for a "burg-in-progress"  and we haven't responded. That simply does not happen.   A burg-in-progress call is WAY up the priority list. Even if every deputy was already on a call at the time of the call coming into dispatch, they would clear at least one deputy and drag a few out of civil, and/or even the detectives.
     And to say we didn't even take a report sounds highly inprobable.  The public wouldn't believe what we take reports on.  There is no way a "burg-in-progress" call would come into dispatch that we would not go to, investigate, and follow-up on, much less without a paper trail (report).   
    Depending on exactly where is is in relation to Linden and Farmway, it very well might have been Caldwell Police, not Canyon County Sheriff's Office. There are numerous enclaved areas around there.
    And I am not making it sound like I'm pawning it off on CPD. They have almost the exact same response/paperwork policies.
   (Off the record:a  "burg-in-progress" call is the kind of call we jump over each other to go to! Usually the shift supervisor has to throttle us back, rather than prod us to get going! We don't get very many chances to catch a burglar in the act, so we hop on them.)

[Bill, Idaho]

And by the way....... I was talking about coyotes earlier.   

[carracer]

To update my previous post about the burglery in progress.

I just phoned my sister in law to get clarification.  It occurred about 20 years ago (My how time flies when you get old!).  They did not call ccso directly.  They dialed 911, so it's hard to say who they talked to.  They do live in CCSOarea, however, and not in Cald PD area. 

Still amazes me that one of the departments should have been dispatched the call and no report was taken.  Perhaps the 911 dispatch didn't know who to notify so didn't notify anyone?

[Batwing]

Several years ago my Bro-In-Law, with my children in his car with him, came home to a burglary in progress at his house.  Scumbags packing out his stuff into a vw microbus in his back yard.  He called Canyon Co. Sheriff dept. while watching them.  Not only did they not respond, they didn't even come out to take a report.  Not like he lived way out of town...farmway and linden.

What? No way.


I've spent a lot of time in that PSAP and heard a lot of calls come in and get dispatched and
all calls are treated as they should be.  Those dispatchers would never do something like that, and neither would the guys in the field.  Like Bill said, a call like that would result in a "flys on shit" situation. 
That 911 center dispatches all agencies in Canyon County EXCEPT Nampa PD and Fire, and I am not sure what agency precisely is responsible for that area of patrol (CCSO vs CPD).

[carracer]

As I mentioned in my above post.  Turned out to be 20 years ago insstead of "several" and the call went to 911 not directly to ccso.  As confirmed by my sister in law the results I remembered were accurate.  I'm sure those in positions of authority or response at any level are retired or have left service sometime ago leaving a more responsible department.

[XDMHMMWV]

<a href="http://tvspots.values.com/mobile/purse.mp4" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://tvspots.values.com/mobile/purse.mp4</a>
Watch the last 15sec of the video.
Nothing against law enforcement. I have three relatives who are retired law enforcement......
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I'm just advancing a donut stereotype.

[Batwing]

Probably. 


Sure would not happen today though.