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Offline Nealio

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Do you need to use bullets with a cannelure in a wheel-gun?
« on: November 22, 2011, 12:12:56 PM »
So I'm thinking of getting one of those really old style guns that has the big spinny thing in the middle of it. I think they call it a "revolver".  Its in .454 Casull.
Anyway, do I need to reload bullets with a cannelure, or can I reload smooth bullets.  I read something saying you could get set-back if you don't use a cannelure, but that doesn't seem right. 
Seems like a nice roll crimp that digs into the jacket would keep stuff in place ok..?
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Re: Do you need to use bullets with a cannelure in a wheel-gun?
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2011, 12:51:57 PM »
with the 454 your more likley to get bullet jump under recoil werre the bullet moves forward possibley sticks out and ties up the cylinder 
but weather thers a cannelure or not you still would be roll crimpin
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Re: Do you need to use bullets with a cannelure in a wheel-gun?
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2011, 02:02:04 PM »
Cannelure or crimp groove is a must for the 454.
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Re: Do you need to use bullets with a cannelure in a wheel-gun?
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2011, 06:07:53 PM »
How about for milder loads?  Something similar to a .45 LC or .44 Special ?
Honestly I probably won't be loading that thing to .454 Casull standards most of the time.  I was hoping to use some of my .45 Auto bullets and make something that won't rip my hand off.. ;)
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Re: Do you need to use bullets with a cannelure in a wheel-gun?
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2011, 06:16:31 PM »
.45 Auto = .451"

You probably don't want to use those in your .454.
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Re: Do you need to use bullets with a cannelure in a wheel-gun?
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2011, 06:18:11 PM »
Jeff beat me to it.
.454 Casull Bullet diameter .452 in
« Last Edit: November 22, 2011, 06:32:35 PM by J Mack »
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Re: Do you need to use bullets with a cannelure in a wheel-gun?
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2011, 06:25:39 PM »
Quote from: Nealio on November 22, 2011, 06:07:53 PM
How about for milder loads?  Something similar to a .45 LC or .44 Special ?
Honestly I probably won't be loading that thing to .454 Casull standards most of the time.  I was hoping to use some of my .45 Auto bullets and make something that won't rip my hand off.. ;)

Wuss ;)

any 45LC load will be soft shooting 250s at 900-1000fps  are pretty nice 
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Re: Do you need to use bullets with a cannelure in a wheel-gun?
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2011, 06:40:49 PM »
I hope you guys are joking.  .001" is more than close enough... :)

Unless wheel guns need to have much tighter tolerances, but then why would they make .451" bullets for .45 LC??
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Re: Do you need to use bullets with a cannelure in a wheel-gun?
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2011, 09:12:43 PM »
.451 for jacketed and .452 for lead in the .454, same as the 45acp and 45colt

.458 for jacketed and .459 for lead in the 45/70 and .458win mag

Are you seeing a couple of trends here ???


Depending on the bullet and load you can vary the crimp. For light stuff a tight case to bullet fit will work, you just need to turn the bell back to a straight profile or roll it a bit. For the heavies, a tight fit and a significant roll crimp not only help keep the bullets from walking forward and tying up the cylinder, it helps with more consistent ignition.



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