Topic: Right and wrong

[liberty2009]

A recent (now locked) thread go me to thinking.

We know in our hearts what is right and wrong (if we were raised correctly and not a mental case). some things that are "wrong" are made into laws (maybe I should put quotes around "laws") so that everyone can know the letter of the law and stay within it.

But laws have become so complex with so many exceptions and "if in this case" - "not in that case" that in reality no one - not even a lawyer can tell with certainty what is "legal" and what is "illegal". (And example - and I don't want to start an Iran-Contra thread - ole Oliver North asked two lawyers if transferring money from the "received from Iran" account to the "give to Contra's" account  was "legal" - one said yes, one said no. It is not like he could poll lawyers and get a consensus on a secret operation - and he did it.)

But what the law says does not change what is right and wrong - we should work toward laws that more closely match what is right and wrong that are written clearly in plain American English that everyone can understand. Gun Laws are especially complex.

[emathey]

A recent (now locked) thread go me to thinking.

We know in our hearts what is right and wrong (if we were raised correctly and not a mental case). some things that are "wrong" are made into laws (maybe I should put quotes around "laws") so that everyone can know the letter of the law and stay within it.

But laws have become so complex with so many exceptions and "if in this case" - "not in that case" that in reality no one - not even a lawyer can tell with certainty what is "legal" and what is "illegal". (And example - and I don't want to start an Iran-Contra thread - ole Oliver North asked two lawyers if transferring money from the "received from Iran" account to the "give to Contra's" account  was "legal" - one said yes, one said no. It is not like he could poll lawyers and get a consensus on a secret operation - and he did it.)

But what the law says does not change what is right and wrong - we should work toward laws that more closely match what is right and wrong that are written clearly in plain American English that everyone can understand. Gun Laws are especially complex.

Who is to say what is right and what is wrong?  How do you get 50 states, or in Idahos case 1.3 million people to agree?

[AR10ER]

Who is to say what is right and what is wrong?  How do you get 50 states, or in Idahos case 1.3 million people to agree?

That's what happens when you start basing your laws on man made ideals.

Just saying.

[emathey]

That's what happens when you start basing your laws on man made ideals.

Just saying.

I agree, we can just consult the Vatican and clear everything up.

[Leanwolf]

EMATHEY - "I agree, we can just consult the Vatican and clear everything up."

          

L.W.

[AR10ER]

I agree, we can just consult the Vatican and clear everything up.

I doubt that will get us anywhere near back to what we were, when the nation was founded.

But you can joke all you want, it will not slow the destruction.

[Grumblecakes]

ive just come to realize not everything is black and white. any one that has ever had anything to do with a women will yell you too that even the best and strongest argument can still be a losing one

[Shade OGrey]

[snip] a women will yell you too that even the best and strongest argument can still be a losing one

I think your Freudian slip is showing. 

[Rook]

ive just come to realize not everything is black and white. any one that has ever had anything to do with a women will yell you too that even the best and strongest argument can still be a losing one

So very true....

Problem being if you operate in the gray area too long, something will eventually bite you in the rear.