Topic: The Advantage of Idaho CWL, If I Have Other Valid Permits?

[Evergreen]

I just talked to Ada County Sheriff and they told me that my out-of-state Utah CFP and Washington CHL are perfectly valid in the state of Idaho.  I then proceeded to ask them if they are valid once I am a resident, and they told me they are perfectly valid, even if I don't have an Idaho CWL.  Idaho's recognition of out-of-state permits/licenses of residents contrasts greatly to Washington state, which only recognizes out-of-state permits for non-residents and requires you to have a Washington CHL.  

So, what I am wondering now is what exactly advantage is there for me to have an Idaho license, if my other licenses are legal?  The lady at the Sheriff's office made some mention of perhaps it may help bypass registration or waiting periods.  I wasn't aware that Idaho had waiting periods, nor did I know that Idaho doesn't have firearm registration.  

It appears I can get by with my out-of-state permits, indefinitely, but I am curious to know what advantages there are of having the Idaho CWL and  if people here suggest I get one, considering I have other valid licenses.   From what I can tell, the license doesn't seem to cost too much, but of course, it is always an inconvenience to walk into Sheriff's Office and go through all the procedures.  Also, they told me I have to wait like 3 months to even get the license.  So, does that mean if I want to buy a handgun or rifle within that time, I have to have some waiting period?

I have to say I admire Idaho's more friendly gun laws in regards to out-of-state permit/license recognition to the draconian laws here in Oregon.  To my dismay, I was very disappointed that the jerks at Washington County, Oregon sheriff department said that me doing business in Washington County is not enough of a compelling reason for me to be granted a CHL.  I told him I had multiple WA County CHLs in the past and they granted me an out-of-state before. Also, I said I have lived there for years.   The sheriff said that was long time ago and they don't do that anymore.  He also says he doubts I would really go shopping in WA County. I eventually told him, after a long pointless discussion, that I don't like being called a liar.  They really have become more anal there.  I told them I wish the state of Oregon didn't trample on my 2A rights.  I proceeded to call Umatilla and other Sheriff offices and received the same answer.   Anyway, I guess I will have to make a long drive out to Grant County to get my out-of-state Oregon CHL.  That sucks.

[carracer]

Allows you to bypass the NICS (?) phone call when purchasing from an FFL.  There are states that will not honor a non res permit and only a resident permit.  Ex. Colorado will only honor an Idaho permit from an Idaho resident.  Your non res. Utah permit will not be honored.

[eddymunster]

An Idaho CWL says that you want to be part of our state and not just a visitor IMO.

[RGinIdaho]

There are states that will not honor a non res permit and only a resident permit.

If you travel, this can be an issue.

[AR10ER]

If you travel, this can be an issue.

Sucks, but true.

[ponder]

1.  Your out-of-state CWL is accepted statewide.  Some hick duputies, however are not aware of that.  I had one in uniform state that while being recorded in my store. 

1.  If you have an Idaho CWL, while purchasing a firearm, I check box #23 on the 4473.  You do not have to rely or wait upon the NICS check.  You can buy firearms during a Brady outage, such as occurred during Clinton shut down during the Million Mom March.
 
2.  When being pulled over in your own vehicle, the officer will be notified by the dispatcher - "NO WANTS, NO WARRANTS, NO CITS, IDAHO CWP".  The officer is now at ease as he approaches your vehicle.  The 15 AW's, 2 AOW's, a machine gun and two lumps under your pits will not surprise him.  He will stay focused on why you were going 31mph in a 25mph school zone.  I listen to the local scanner 10 hours a day.  A high percentage of stops with CWP's get a verbal warning.

[ida83704]

Life is easier with an in-state resident CCL.

Plus no NICS, in and out of a FFL in 10-15 minutes.

Fastest gun purchase from a FFL I've seen.... is a co-worker of mine, from in the door to out the door, took 8 minutes to by a handgun at Cabelas a few years ago.

[Evergreen]

No Nics.    Sounds Great!!  That's the thing I hated about buying guns in Oregon is having to fill out all the long amount of paperwork and then waiting sometimes for like 20 minutes to get my approval.  Not to mention the constant thumb-printing and the bogus $10 background check fee.  I am glad Idaho has no such a policy and it makes sense, why should a legal permit holder have to constantly go through the torment of multiple background checks?

I am already convinced, once I get situated from my move, I will head down to the Sheriff Office and get the Idaho CWL.   Since it is a Concealed "Weapons" license, that also means I can conceal guns with buttstocks, i.e. rifle/shotgun?  This is probably off-topic, but, seriously, if you ever concealed a non-pistol firearm and used in self-defense, wouldn't you just as well be crucified by a jury?  I've even been told concealing a handgun with a barrel longer than 5" in an urban area will get you in deep water, at least in Oregon and Washington.  Also, high caliber pistols are considered risky for conceal carry here in Oregon.  Not that I would want to use one anyway, as I worry about over-penetration.  But, I just wonder how an Idaho self-defense shoot jury would be compared to one in Oregon and Washington.  E.g., if you have a shotgun concealed under your coat and use it in self-defense shooting in Oregon, you would be likely looking at prison time.  How about in Idaho?    Also, are Class III weapons prohibited in allowable concealed "weapons" list due to federal regulations or anything of the sort?

What really sucks is that I am going to lose my Oregon CHL and have to go all the way to Canyon City to apply for a new one, not to mention the cost of gas and loss of time at work.  I refuse to ever go back into Oregon without my CHL.  Considering, my business is located in PDX, I will have to be going back frequently.  It seems like the crime in Portland is getting worse and the gun laws are getting stricter.  The criminals from California have never been happier to call Portland their home.

I'm glad Idaho is sane about the gun laws.. I do worry that it is just a matter of time before Portland's gay pedo mayor rallies out support for an all-out gun ban in Portland, like they did in Denver and NYC.

Also, I'm happy to hear an Idaho CWP is recognized in Colorado.  Not even my Utah, Washington and Oregon CHLs are recognized in Colorado.  That is one state I always wanted to visit.

[emathey]

I'm glad Idaho is sane about the gun laws.. I do worry that it is just a matter of time before Portland's gay mayor rallies out support for an all-out gun ban in Portland, like they did in Denver and NYC.

It's a good thing Boise's mayor is heterosexual, or we might have to worry about that here.

[Evergreen]

It's a good thing Boise's mayor is heterosexual, or we might have to worry about that here.

Plenty of gay guys into guns, like here:
Bruno - Ali G - Gun Show
 

Sorry, I meant to write gay pedo, but left it out by mistake.. I like slandering him, cause he is such a slacker and uses his "gayness" to avoid responsibility for a number of his screw-ups.   What i mean is, Mayor Sammy Adams has his head in the wrong place..    OOPS.. I mean , well you know what I mean..  

[zona5101]

Your CWP is for handguns and knives.
There is no restriction or permit required for concealing any long gun.

It is difficult to say if having a concealed long gun would be viewed poorly by a jury...I suppose it will depend on your reason to concel in the first place.
I don't think you'd have any issue carrying a large caliber handgun vs small. It will come down to justified or not. I suppose if you had a tricked out race gun a prosecutor may make an issue but if you had a good reason, then goes back to justification for shooting.
Of course anything can happen once you get to trial...look at that Fish guy in AZ, should be free but he's in prison. They made a big deal about the fact he carried a 10mm glock.

[Evergreen]

Thanks for the information Zona.  I didn't realize long guns didn't require a permit, although I remember reading something about that on a previous post, but didn't quite understand it until now.  I highly doubt I would ever conceal a long gun, especially a SBR or SBS, which would make the most sense to conceal.  My fears are that if a Class III type weapon is used in a defensive shoot, the feds may step in and it can be a sticky situation.  

Considering how things are in this day and age, I really can imagine some crooked prosecutor using anything he/she can against me.  If not in a criminal court, then in civil court.  It's costly enough to defend yourself even in a justified shoot with a more "common" handgun caliber, I can only imagine the complications that would arise if you ended up using "dangerous calibers".  It's sad to hear a person would be reprimanded for using a 10mm.  That is a perfectly good defense round in both urban/rural environment and I even at times considered using it for my carry gun.  I guess I wonder how an Idaho jury would react, but well, I probably will just follow the standard guidelines.  More likely than not I will only carry "politically-correct defense calibers". If I can use that term, LOL.

On another note, is it legal to carry a loaded shotgun or rifle in your vehicle concealed?  That is, lets say I want to hide it under the seat or something.  I would never dare do that where I live now.  I know in Oregon you have to have a long gun stored in a separate area of the car, inaccessible to driver and unloaded.  I'm not sure about Idaho's laws in these regards.

[zona5101]

There is no restriction from carrying a long gun in a vehicle, concealed, or otherwise. There is a restriction on handguns. Besides not going through the NICS call, your valid ID CCW also nixes any concerns about loaded handguns in your car. (Without one it needs to be in plain site).

On Mr. Fish and the 10mm...he was in AZ - that is a pretty gun friendly state but when you can pick the jury and make allegations that even a 10mm is 'overkill' - there isn't much hope for youor I no matter what we carry IF the procecutor has it out for us (or is trying to make a name for himself). But in the big picture it, doesn't matter because if you hadn't made the right decision then you'd not be around to deal with the consequences anyway.

Source:
(7)  Except in the person's place of abode or fixed place of business, or on property in which the person has any ownership or leasehold interest, a person shall not carry a concealed weapon without a license to carry a concealed weapon. For the purposes of this section, a concealed weapon means any dirk, dirk knife, bowie knife, dagger, pistol, revolver or any other deadly or dangerous weapon. The provisions of this section shall not apply to any lawfully possessed shotgun or rifle.
(8 )  A county sheriff, deputy sheriff or county employee who issues a license to carry a concealed weapon under this section shall not incur any civil or criminal liability as the result of the performance of his duties under this section.
(9)  While in any motor vehicle, inside the limits or confines of any city, a person shall not carry a concealed weapon on or about his person without a license to carry a concealed weapon. This shall not apply to any firearm located in plain view whether it is loaded or unloaded. A firearm may be concealed legally in a motor vehicle so long as the weapon is disassembled or unloaded.

http://legislature.idaho.gov/idstat/Title18/T18CH33SECT18-3302.htm

[foxxnhound2.0]

Hey op I have a non resident Oregon permit, and when the went to apply for it I had to submit a letter to the sheriff on the need of it and I had to live in a bordering county.  All this ontop of having a resident Idaho permit. Oh yea one other requirement was a Peter from your cheif Leo stating you are a good boy.  You go to vale to get it Google malhuer county sheriff for the number they can send you the application.

[Evergreen]

Hi Foxxhound.. I don't think Malheur county will work for me, as I will be in Ada county, which I don't believe borders any county in Oregon.  I could be wrong, but from the map I am thinking that there are other counties that come before Ada.  It seems these Oregon sheriff's have gotten way more anal over the years and it really appears that Canyon county is the only feasible option.  What a sad state of affairs for the state of Oregon.  The sheriff in Washington County suggested I open carry.   I should have asked him if he would open carry in the Beaverton Town Center without his uniform.  Back 2-3 years ago, the Washington County Sheriff, Rob Gordon was a great guy and issued me an out-of-state permit.  I suppose Mayor Adams and friends have put the pressure on him to not arm any out-of-staters.  They said carrying lots of cash and making large purchases at night for electronic goods is not a good enough reason for me to able to carry a gun in WA county.  Go figure.  I'm sure criminals will know who to target now in parking lots.  Just look for the out-of-state plates.. LOL

[pv74]

An Idaho CWL says that you want to be part of our state and not just a visitor IMO.

As a resident, I'd maintain my Idaho CCW just to be 100% sure that I am legal in this state...this way there is NO issue.

Nothing against the cops, but do NOT trust a police officer's interpretation of a law...they are NOT lawyers.

[Evergreen]

Just got my approval letter for my Idaho CWL.. They said it would take maybe 3 months, but it took 1 month..  In next day or two, I'm off to the sheriff department.. 

Does anyone know if I can keep my Idaho CWL if I end up moving out of the state?  It was kind of a pain getting the Idaho CWL with the long wait and all and I'd like not to lose it.  I'm just curious about that.  Considering that I am having business/financial problems I fear I may have to end up leaving Idaho eventually.  Although I sure hope I don't have to leave.