Author Topic: Patrol Shoot at Parma R&G (Read 2990 times)

Nomad · « **on:** February 07, 2011, 11:02:20 AM »

Up coming Patrol shoot
Looking forward to meeting all again.....
Not sure of round count but 300 rifle, 150 pistol, 75 bird shot, 10 slugs should be plenty....
Hope to see you there.......

Friday, March 11, 2011 - Saturday, March 12, 2011 08:00am - 06:00pm
Spring Patrol Shoot - ENTIRE RANGE CLOSED :: Patrol Shoots
Will post more as it is made available......Later Nomad

egress81 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 07, 2011, 08:08:26 PM »

is this one an invite only ?

zona5101 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 07, 2011, 08:54:13 PM »

Quote from: egress81 on February 07, 2011, 08:08:26 PM

is this one an invite only ?

they are all invite only... however the spring one is where new guys can get an invite...

fj40mojo · « **Reply #3 on:** February 08, 2011, 08:50:46 AM »

Quote from: egress81 on February 07, 2011, 08:08:26 PM

is this one an invite only ?

Talk at the last one was that they would hold some type of class a week or two prior to this one for newbs and that would be their golden ticket.

mopeman440 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 09, 2011, 12:33:15 AM »

Who needs a shooter?

Nomad · « **Reply #5 on:** February 09, 2011, 06:39:03 AM »

This will be open to new people. If you want to put them on your team.
Spoke to Match director and hes ok with it, if you are ok with it to put them on your team.
Only thing is the amount of teams need to be held down....
Early contact is important so teams can be limited......

egress81 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 09, 2011, 04:44:27 PM »

mopeman how about a mtn home team?

ETA: just spoke with mopeman440 on the phone and he and I are trying to put together a team, looking for 2 more people for a team.

mopeman440 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 11, 2011, 01:07:07 AM »

Yup, I'm game for a team. I have shot at a patrol shoot before and have some gear too.

egress81 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 13, 2011, 07:02:30 PM »

I supposed the round count is for a squad of 4 right ?

if not my lazy ass has some serious reloading to do.

Nomad · « **Reply #9 on:** February 13, 2011, 07:36:18 PM »

The round count may change but to be safe plan on it......
Have seem many times where your buddy goes down and you have to finish it out......

egress81 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 16, 2011, 06:06:00 PM »

still looking for 2 more team members...

avking · « **Reply #11 on:** February 16, 2011, 06:30:43 PM »

Quote from: egress81 on February 16, 2011, 06:06:00 PM

still looking for 2 more team members...

I might like to try it, where can I get info on "Patrol Shoots"?

ida83704 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 16, 2011, 08:21:35 PM »

Quote from: egress81 on February 13, 2011, 07:02:30 PM

I supposed the round count is for a squad of 4 right ?

if not my lazy ass has some serious reloading to do.

200 rilfe
100 pistol
is the minimum PER shooter
so x4 for a squad

300 rifle
150 pistol
is reccomended so you don't run out

more if you end up shooting on more than 1 squad

No-One · « **Reply #13 on:** February 16, 2011, 08:41:25 PM »

Really ?? 300 rounds of rifle and 150 of pistol would be 10-15 magazines for each firearm ?? I have shot several of these in the past and have generally needed less than half that .

zona5101 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 16, 2011, 08:44:00 PM »

Quote from: avking on February 16, 2011, 06:30:43 PM

I might like to try it, where can I get info on "Patrol Shoots"?

check the parma website under photo gallery...pics and vids should kinda give you the idea...

ida83704 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 16, 2011, 09:07:18 PM »

Quote from: No-One on February 16, 2011, 08:41:25 PM

Really ?? 300 rounds of rifle and 150 of pistol would be 10-15 magazines for each firearm ?? I have shot several of these in the past and have generally needed less than half that .

Well.... yeah, some folks can't shoot so good.
(edit, so they are going to need more than 200 rifle and 100 pistol)

One can always take ammo home.

mopeman440 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 17, 2011, 12:09:30 PM »

Hey egress, I heard form a little birdie that SinisterRob might be looking for a team...

SinisterRob · « **Reply #17 on:** February 17, 2011, 12:30:44 PM »

Quote from: mopeman440 on February 17, 2011, 12:09:30 PM

Hey egress, I heard form a little birdie that SinisterRob might be looking for a team...

Nope, that little birdie jumped the gun. I can't make it this weekend.

carharttfarmer · « **Reply #18 on:** February 17, 2011, 02:02:23 PM »

Quote from: SinisterRob on February 17, 2011, 12:30:44 PM

Nope, that little birdie jumped the gun. I can't make it this weekend.

ya that screwa up my plan of getting you to do my reloading for me agin too

mopeman440 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 18, 2011, 12:33:15 AM »

Quote from: carharttfarmer on February 17, 2011, 02:02:23 PM

ya that screwa up my plan of getting you to do my reloading for me agin too

Hey birdie..I mean carhart, what do you need loaded?

Nomad · « **Reply #20 on:** February 18, 2011, 07:48:36 AM »

The round count is high but in contact with match director he say you are good to go and if done right some teams may get to shoot twice.....
Past shoots have shot All of the ammo and part of team members ammo because his rifle went down
another time members scope was off so its your call........

carharttfarmer · « **Reply #21 on:** February 18, 2011, 08:54:40 AM »

Quote from: mopeman440 on February 18, 2011, 12:33:15 AM

Hey birdie..I mean carhart, what do you need loaded?

o i have plenty for the shoot but the last time rob was down he did a bunch of my reloading for me while i was at work

egress81 · « **Reply #22 on:** February 25, 2011, 02:09:00 PM »

No longer looking for team mates.

Nomad · « **Reply #23 on:** March 07, 2011, 06:04:11 AM »

Gentlemen and others………….whatever that might be.

We are moving the Patrol shoot due to some conflicts. The date will be the 19th of March.

Set up will commence on Friday the 18th at 1PM. Remember we will be on Daylight Saving Time by this date.

Signup for the actual shoot will start at 0900 on Saturday.

We will be using a match plan put forth by one of our shooters, RGinIdaho. It will be challenging and a lot of fun. This will be run as a TWO MAN SNIPER TEAM. And two, TWO MAN SQUADS. The three teams will all be connected via radio comms, with each team starting in different locations, with all teams working towards a “full team extraction point”. Movement will have to be corridinated between teams. The snipers will use their sniper or DM rifles AND will be required to have a side arm each and their assault rifle. The sniper teams will be moving probably as much if not more than the assault squads. One rifle squad will need a DM on the team, the other squad will need a shotgunner on the team and will be required to carry that weapon as well as their personal assault rifle. The DM can carry a DM rifle only if he has that weapon available to him. Both assault teams will need sidearms as part of their gear.

Standard patrol shoot rules apply. You have to carry all you bring, you cannot leave weapons, ammo, mags or buddies bodies behind. Carry it in……carry it out. Cover has to be used, crawled over or under shot around and over and under and you can expect to get dirty………….standard patrol team t security will be required and if not followed a time penalty will be assessed. J

Buz has prepared an additional 80 plus steel KD plates……..it is a secret where they came from……….as well as some new sniper targets. There will also be some new targets you have never seen before……….to see them you have to show up. There will be a lot of shootin and scooting…………… J

This will be all done on foot. No ATVs, trucks or tracks……………..

I need RSVPs so we can plan for the number of shooters and teams. If you have a team or preference on who you want to squad with please let me know. Dress for the weather and bring you lunch. Remember this shoot is a all day deal and everyone will be busy setting, resetting, scoring, ROing etc……..

ng

zona5101 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 07, 2011, 06:34:32 AM »

I sent NG an email asking him what the qualifier will be for FNGs. I'll post when I hear back...

RSVP is to Neill at njg308@fmtc.com

If you don't know Neill, tell him your responding to the post on Boise Shooters so he know how you heard about it...

egress81 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 08, 2011, 05:21:20 PM »

will we need to provide our own radios or will some be provided?

Nomad · « **Reply #26 on:** March 08, 2011, 06:18:41 PM »

There are some radios available but if you wish to bring your own that would be great,
but remember the teams will all need to be able to communicate with each other...

Scarecrow · « **Reply #27 on:** March 08, 2011, 09:30:15 PM »

Are FRS/GMRS radios going to be the standard?

luvmy45 · « **Reply #28 on:** March 08, 2011, 11:14:41 PM »

Generally those will work.

Reminds me, I got a throat mic on clearance that I need to get working with one of my radios...

www.firefoxtech.com

Should be the ticket for this!

carharttfarmer · « **Reply #29 on:** March 18, 2011, 01:56:17 PM »

so whats the start time parma calender says 8am email on page 1 here says 9

??

glockgirl · « **Reply #30 on:** March 18, 2011, 02:11:02 PM »

Does that mean that the USPSA match scheduled for the same day will be cancelled?

tgibson · « **Reply #31 on:** March 18, 2011, 02:47:39 PM »

Quote from: brande on March 18, 2011, 02:11:02 PM

Does that mean that the USPSA match scheduled for the same day will be cancelled?

Both matches are still on. See you tomorrow.
Adios,
TG

luvmy45 · « **Reply #32 on:** March 18, 2011, 07:11:11 PM »

Quote from: carharttfarmer on March 18, 2011, 01:56:17 PM

so whats the start time parma calender says 8am email on page 1 here says 9
??

9AM... sorry about that... fogot to change the time when we moved it around.

zona5101 · « **Reply #33 on:** March 18, 2011, 09:57:25 PM »

patrol shoot - be there at 8:30 or earlier so we can run through the COF and start shooting.

tgibson · « **Reply #34 on:** March 18, 2011, 10:00:01 PM »

carhartfarmer, you got a team lined up for manana?
Adios,
TG

carharttfarmer · « **Reply #35 on:** March 18, 2011, 11:08:39 PM »

Quote from: tgibson on March 18, 2011, 10:00:01 PM

carhartfarmer, you got a team lined up for manana?
Adios,
TG

got half of one me and mopeman+1other guy from MH

true pearce is bringing his stuff hopeing to shoot to quess you called raul he called craig who called true who called me to see what a patrol shoot is so maybe there be enough of us for a team

egress81 · « **Reply #36 on:** March 18, 2011, 11:23:00 PM »

Quote from: carharttfarmer on March 18, 2011, 11:08:39 PM

got half of one me and mopeman+1other guy from MH

true pearce is bringing his stuff hopeing to shoot to quess you called raul he called craig who called true who called me to see what a patrol shoot is so maybe there be enough of us for a team

Im the other guy from MH, we actually have 4 of us if you 2 wanna join up we would have a full team.

carharttfarmer · « **Reply #37 on:** March 19, 2011, 05:29:55 PM »

had a good time posted a really good time to well till they added in the peneltys

luvmy45 · « **Reply #38 on:** March 19, 2011, 07:48:14 PM »

That was one of the best patrol shoots ever... loved the setup, the communication, the different styles of shooting. Lot's of fun!

I like the sniper team... that was a blast, as it's always fun hitting 700yd targets that fall over!

Great concept Ralph!!! Thanks

mopeman440 · « **Reply #39 on:** March 19, 2011, 07:50:51 PM »

I wonder who got the penalty?

It was a good day shooting, had a good team and saw some blood too!

carharttfarmer · « **Reply #40 on:** March 19, 2011, 08:11:19 PM »

Quote from: mopeman440 on March 19, 2011, 07:50:51 PM

I wonder who got the penalty? It was a good day shooting, had a good team and saw some blood too!

you did you were the DM designated mag pickerupper

tgibson · « **Reply #41 on:** March 19, 2011, 08:48:58 PM »

Quote from: luvmy45 on March 19, 2011, 07:48:14 PM

That was one of the best patrol shoots ever... loved the setup, the communication, the different styles of shooting. Lot's of fun!

I like the sniper team... that was a blast, as it's always fun hitting 700yd targets that fall over!

Great concept Ralph!!! Thanks

Yup...good match for sure and lots of fun. Two people moving together is a lot less stressful than a group of four. Probably safer too.
Hey LM45...what would you think about the sniper team having to cover some ground on the clock? That way they would have to get up there in a hurry, range all the targets, then figure their DOPE and start shooting? I don't know, just thought that might add a little physical stress into the mix.
Adios,
TG

luvmy45 · « **Reply #42 on:** March 19, 2011, 09:20:25 PM »

Quote from: tgibson on March 19, 2011, 08:48:58 PM

Hey LM45...what would you think about the sniper team having to cover some ground on the clock? That way they would have to get up there in a hurry, range all the targets, then figure their DOPE and start shooting? I don't know, just thought that might add a little physical stress into the mix.
Adios,
TG

That would be a great addition, and stress addition... at first I thought that would be the case, little more time pressure. That would be a good addition to what we did today... I really like the sniper/spotter team idea, and doing it that way... true, you really only have one sniper, but the spotter on a DM type gun can bang away at targets under 500 with speed, while the sniper takes the longer shots at 500+... Might even throw in a super accurate shot, like a head shot at 200 to 300 yds on one of the MGM precision rifle targets... it's one thing to hit a 1 MOA piece of steel but ti hit a 1/2 or 1/4 MOA target at distance under pressure, that's another story.

I really liked this format, and I think we can develop this!

Nomad · « **Reply #43 on:** March 20, 2011, 03:54:52 AM »

Sounds like all had a great time. Ng and the others have a devious mind.........
Planning on a patrol shoot here in the Magic Valley again some of our targets
are total new design should make for a real challenging shoot and hope a few come down
from Boise Valley........
Will keep you posted as to the up coming date......Nomad

egress81 · « **Reply #44 on:** March 20, 2011, 08:02:55 AM »

I had a great time, thanks to all that put this on.

Also thanks to RG for filling in as our sniper.

luvmy45 · « **Reply #45 on:** March 20, 2011, 11:34:30 AM »

More pictures to follow.

Sniper Team Sierra moving into position. and yes my enemy eradication device really is that big

luvmy45 · « **Reply #46 on:** March 20, 2011, 12:23:30 PM »

Complete photo review of the patrol shoot is now up on the web.

There are some great photo's here... and it was a great shoot!

www.parmarng.org goto the photo tab and enjoy

RGinIdaho · « **Reply #47 on:** March 20, 2011, 02:11:42 PM »

Had a great time. Thanks to everyone that helped make this run smoothly. The cleanup crew kicked ass and did not get stuck...

I kept the snipers headed downhill in the interest of time and because some of us have passed the big 50 in age and waist!

Egress, Mopeman, Carhartfarmer,
Thanks for letting me shoot with you. It was great to shoot two different roles, sniper and rifleman. I wish I could have run the shotgun pit with a third team. Of course I may have bled out...

My guns are glad there are two patrol shoots a year. Otherwise they would not recieve their biannual cleaning.

sniper3317 · « **Reply #48 on:** March 20, 2011, 02:46:23 PM »

Great shooting! Had a great time even though I broke my sniper rifle. Went to Sportsman's to day replaced broken scope mount and I'm back in business. Raul thanks for the advise on Warn mounts they look great! Props to Jim spotter/ counter sniper that was able to pick up the targets I was unable to engage due to breakdown issues. Thanks to all who participated, and a big thanks to those that set up and those who stuck around for the tear down. That type of team work is essential for these types of events!

mace2364 · « **Reply #49 on:** March 21, 2011, 08:57:13 AM »

Where might I find the scores from the shoot?

9Shooter · « **Reply #50 on:** March 21, 2011, 10:46:26 AM »

parmarng.org must be getting hammered. I haven't been able to get in all morning to look at the pics.

EDGE · « **Reply #51 on:** March 21, 2011, 03:39:31 PM »

They just keep getting better and better every year!!!

Excellent course of fire desing RG!

luvmy45 · « **Reply #52 on:** March 21, 2011, 05:31:50 PM »

Scores are making their way to me and I'll get them posted when I get them.

Not sure what's with the parma site... I've been on and off all day, between tiling my bathroom, haven't noticed any issues, I'll check the log. Thanks for the heads up.

9Shooter · « **Reply #53 on:** March 21, 2011, 07:28:42 PM »

Quote from: luvmy45 on March 21, 2011, 05:31:50 PM

Not sure what's with the parma site... I've been on and off all day, between tiling my bathroom, haven't noticed any issues, I'll check the log. Thanks for the heads up.

Worked from home so maybe it was just something from work. Could have been fine all day I suppose.

sniper3317 · « **Reply #54 on:** March 21, 2011, 07:37:13 PM »

They were in the debrief.If you left early I guess you missed out.

luvmy45 · « **Reply #55 on:** March 21, 2011, 08:32:19 PM »

Scores and commentary are up on the parma site now.

www.parmarng.org

Great shoot!

Scarecrow · « **Reply #56 on:** March 21, 2011, 09:30:29 PM »

Good CoF for sure. Thanks to the RO's for putting it together and keeping us safe and the Friday Setup Crew for getting targets set up. It was the best shooting event I have ever participated in.

Nomad · « **Reply #57 on:** March 21, 2011, 10:02:47 PM »

Patrol Shoot Scores and commentary.

First place team: Aaron Goodfellow 20 Minutes 38 Seconds. Raw time 19.48

Bruce Bates

Rocky Mink

Devin Jones

Jon Koopman

Neill Goodfellow

Second Place Team Travis Gibson 21 Minutes 12 Seconds Raw Time 19.32

Raul Garcia

Jim Sullivan

Brian Kohagen

Craig Hixson

Chris Lowry

Third Place Team Ralph Grieninger 21 Minutes 14 Seconds Raw Time 19.24

Jim Hicks

Jim Grossel

Eric Brown

Tristan Burkhardt

John

Fourth Place Team Travis Johnson 23 Minutes 08 Seconds Raw Time 19.28

Forest Odgers

Cody Scheiting

Robert King

Robert Martin

Ralph Grienger

Fifth Place Team Matt Hinrichs 30 Minutes 3 seconds Raw Time 28.16

Chris Mace

Alex Clarke

Evan Clarke

Drew Clarke

Mike Clarke

Sixth Place Team Steve Leonard 35 Minutes 3 seconds Raw Time 25.43

Rocky Mink

Tyler Leonard

Trent Moulton

Devin Jones

Matt Goodfellow

After the November Patrol Shoot, Ralph Grienger said he had some ideas he would like to run past me for the next Patrol Shoot. This was essentially the result of what Ralph Had in mind. The course of fire called for a six man squad divided into 3 two man teams. A sniper team, a rifle and shotgun team, and a DM and rifleman team. Teams starting on the Eastern most pistol pits were designated the Alpha team, the team in the Conex pits were the Bravo team and the Sniper team started at the top of the hill North of the club house. The teams cleared their respective areas of targets and all three converged at a central point down range of the clubhouse at about the 325 yard point.

This was a very complicated course of fire that required the teams to coordinate their movement with a control. Each team had stop points that could not be gone past until the team had clearance from the main control point. The reason for this was that fires were being directed towards the several teams as they conducted their movement. Our erstwhile artist, Bruce Bates did a masterful job of laying out the course of fire on the clubhouse white board. A picture of the course of fire can be seen in the attachment. Ralph’s drawing of the event that we worked from is also attached. BCRD stands for barricade or cover.

Once of the interesting aspects of this was that one portion of the team, say the Alpha team could have issues that in a strict two-man competition would have eliminated them from being competitive whereas in this event it may or may not have had an impact at all. For example, Jon Koopman and I were the Alpha team which included the designated marksman and a rifleman. I was shooting an Armalite AR10 that decided to puke on me with about every third round jamming the gun. Part of the COF we were dealing with required coordinated fires from each person on the two man team and with me constantly dealing with a jammed gun it slowed us down considerably. In spite of this, we reached our first stop point and still had to wait for the sniper two man team to reach their safety point before we could proceed. As such our total team time was not adversely affected by my rifle issues. We subsequently reached our second stop control point just seconds after Bravo team reached their second stop point even though they had cleared to their first stop point much faster than we did.

Part of the Alpha COF required a series of plates to be taken out by each rifleman. One shooter would hit a center located target after which the second shooter would take out a plate. This process would repeat itself until all the plates on one side of the pit were cleared. The shooters would then switch roles clearing the other side I the same fashion.

I really wish someone would have taped Travis Gibson and Raul Garcia blaze through that portion of the event. It was rifle poetry in action. The first and follow-up shots were so quick you could hardly discern the difference between shots. Very cool to watch.

Sniper targets were set up as far away as seven hundred yards. For the experienced long range shooters it did not take long to clear those targets. They then began moving towards the club house taking out a series of handgun targets, more rifle targets and finally holing up behind the 300 meter berm while waiting for the two rifle teams to work towards them.

The Bravo team had a series of rifle knock down plates in excess of 130 plates and about 50 clay pigeon targets to take out as they advanced thru their course of fire. It was set up a bit less complex than the Alpha team targets however, if you have never shot that many clay pigeons with a shotgun in a timed event you will quickly learn that it is a process to keep that shotgun loaded and shooting.

Once Alpha and Bravo teams linked up their were still another 125 plus steel plates to be engaged with 4 of the new sniper plates needing to be engaged 4 times each by each rifleman.

I was reminded how fast a twenty round magazine, loaded to 18 rounds go empty. It is not a holly weird gun. Even 30 round AR mags go dry in a quick hurry.

Rocky and I appreciate everyone that helped set up on Friday. We could not do this without that kind of help. The tear down crew which was just about everyone was great as well. The event was taken down and put away in less than an hour.

This particular shoot is pretty unique. There are not many places in the country that offer this kind of opportunity. Running through a course of fire such as this tells you a lot about your skills, tactics, your weapon your support gear or LBE and your ability to work with a partner and a team. Great fun, fun to shoot and fun to watch.

NG

zona5101 · « **Reply #58 on:** March 22, 2011, 05:54:38 AM »

Of course you know why Team Goodfellow came in first...it was the definitive, clear and precise way NG called for "time".

Fast forward to 10:15 and enjoy.
Parma Patrol Shoot 2011

No-One · « **Reply #59 on:** March 26, 2011, 12:57:07 PM »

Quote from: zona5101 on March 22, 2011, 05:54:38 AM

Of course you know why Team Goodfellow came in first...it was the definitive, clear and precise way NG called for "time".

Just curious what the time penalty for standing out in the open after you run out of ammo and wait for your team mate to bring you more ammo might be . Unless of course there is some Tactical advantage that I am overlooking

Scarecrow · « **Reply #60 on:** March 26, 2011, 02:28:52 PM »

Never under estimate the advantage of a war-face.

zona5101 · « **Reply #61 on:** March 26, 2011, 02:31:27 PM »

Quote from: No-One on March 26, 2011, 12:57:07 PM

Just curious what the time penalty for standing out in the open after you run out of ammo and wait for your team mate to bring you more ammo might be . Unless of course there is some Tactical advantage that I am overlooking

yes, i think the team got a time deduction for excellence in ammo management by employing a ammo bearer...

No-One · « **Reply #62 on:** March 26, 2011, 04:15:33 PM »

Quote from: zona5101 on March 26, 2011, 02:31:27 PM

yes, i think the team got a time deduction for excellence in ammo management by employing a ammo bearer...

And then they knocked another 10 seconds off for every F-Bomb the Bishop let off ??

zona5101 · « **Reply #63 on:** March 26, 2011, 08:02:36 PM »

Ya, i think they covered that rule in the pre-match briefing! Even think it made it on the white-board next the penalty for missed steel...

carharttfarmer · « **Reply #64 on:** March 26, 2011, 08:44:07 PM »

f@#* i should have paid more attetion could have just thought of a bad day at work and our time would have went negative:)