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Offline Grumblecakes

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reducing 223 case capacity
« on: October 23, 2010, 06:46:43 AM »
at this point this is a thought experiment, but its driving me crazy so i thought i would look for the thoughts of others.
at some point i wanna make a sub sonic 223 load. however i do NOT want to worry to much about powder position load density ect. beyond what is already necessary in reloading. google has yielded a little info but nothing i would say is solid.

1. packing  the case with filler is one route, however it can leave residue in the barrel that may not be good for the next round going down it

2. fluffy powder is the route i would like to avoid.

3. machining cases from bar stock with a simple hole down the middle. -cost vs payoff kills this one

these 3 are the ones i dismiss i have come up with 2 ideas on my own but am looking for pros/cons new ideas or what ever

1. fill the case with an epoxy or other liquid filler - i have seen a few that are fairly cheap and withstand high temperatures, used to repair automotive exhaust systems.  then drill you the center from shoulder to flash hole

2. expand the neck and use inserts of some kind, such as metal tubing. then size it back down. with this method i was thinking card board tubes would be pretty cheap to make, similar to what you would see in say fireworks, life of the liner would be limited to a few firings.

both ideas would require a small amount of flexibility in material choice to allow for resizing. the epoxy idea seems to me to be the path of least resistance.

i am well aware this will not cycle an ar, more of thought experiment anyway. i also know that a 22lr will do the same thing, the point would be to be able to go from subs to full power with just a mag change. as well as to shoot heavier bullets. Also it would be neat to make a pseudo wild cat. i thinking case capacity would be best cut in about half. basicly having about a 224 hole going from neck to case head. 

thoughts, comments, other ideas?

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Re: reducing 223 case capacity
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2010, 08:40:22 AM »
Filler is a good way to go, malt o meal is a good one, think pressures. Any solid portion of the case or chamber, gas has to go somewhere and will take the path of least resistance. The residue left in the BBL after a filler round will just disenegrate with the next, generally it doesn't affect accuracy. trail boss is a great powder as previously disscussed, I use 9.5 grains in a .308 to achieve crazy quiet shooting, (thanks Technique) use heavy bullets to fill case capacity 75-85 grainers and some fluffy powder, start light and double check cases and bbl and make sure bullet has indeed left the bore and can which I assume you are using. IMHO.
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Re: reducing 223 case capacity
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2010, 09:04:55 AM »
The guys at Liberty Suppressors made reduced capacity .308 cases from brass bar stock awhile back for just a couple of bucks each shipped.
You might contact them and see if they will make you some .223 

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Re: reducing 223 case capacity
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2010, 07:38:34 PM »
I gave a coworker a little Titegroup for his subsonic 223 shooting. I don't think he has tried it yet. But I think Titegroup powder is not supposed to be position sensitive.

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Re: reducing 223 case capacity
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2010, 06:52:35 PM »
I gave a coworker a little Titegroup for his subsonic 223 shooting. I don't think he has tried it yet. But I think Titegroup powder is not supposed to be position sensitive.

From my reading, TiteGroup is dangerous to use because its a double base powder. I could be wrong.
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Re: reducing 223 case capacity
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2010, 11:36:57 AM »
i picked up 9oz of trailboss today since IMR has data for it. if it doesn't snow tomorrow and i wake up early enough i will test a few rounds out. max load fills the case almost half. ive seen where people have used heavier bullets with a bit more powder. with the IMR data though half a pound is enough for nearly 900 rounds. gonna be a good way to burn up cheap bulk bullets  :evilgrin:

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Re: reducing 223 case capacity
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2010, 03:18:09 PM »
I finally tried out the TB loads i made up today. i couldn't get my chrono to read right but there was definitely to snap. quite enough that i had to check the bore after each shot for the first few just to make sure they cleared the barrel. i didnt make any attempt to group them but found no evidence of key holing at 50yd even with the 75gr

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Re: reducing 223 case capacity
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2010, 09:12:04 PM »
I have loaded sub sonic 223 loads using tightwad powder.  Three to five grains will handle 40-70 grain bullets.  I was advised by the manufacturer to use no filler as the powder was position insensitive.  A little heavier charge worked well in 308 with 90-220 grain bullets.
Use standard primers and a chrono and between it and the sound you should be able to develop an accurate load.  With a suppressor they sound like a pellet gun.