Topic: Updated Tests: Fiocchi's 92gr 9mm EMB (Expanding Mono Block)

[fj40mojo]

Cliff's has all three in stock. No I didn't ask the price....it pains me too much and I get a family discount.

[luvmy45]

Hey brother FJ, you want to pick some up for your family to try out. 

[Tomac]

Cliff's has all three in stock. No I didn't ask the price....it pains me too much and I get a family discount.

Does "all three in stock" include the Fiocchi EMB?... 
Tomac

[fj40mojo]

Does "all three in stock" include the Fiocchi EMB?... 
Tomac

No I was referring to Hornady CD .45ACP, .40S&W, and 9mm Luger. Sorry bro. They are closed now or I'd call on the Fiocchi for ya.

[Tomac]

No I was referring to Hornady CD .45ACP, .40S&W, and 9mm Luger. Sorry bro. They are closed now or I'd call on the Fiocchi for ya.

No problem, just curious (got plenty of the EMB for myself...  ). Thx!...
Tomac

[Tomac]

Just got back from the range, here are the results, all fired from 10' through 1 layer of lined leather and 2 layers of denim and correlate to how you see the bullets in the pic from left to right:
 
1) (Not shown) 3.6" bbl, EMB, bullet passed through leather, denim and all 4 jugs and was not recovered (I have no idea what happened here).
2) 3.6" bbl, EMB, this is the bullet from the first test last week, no leather or denim, Exp = .64", Pen = 18".
3) 3.6" bbl, Fiocchi 115gr XTP JHP, Exp = .52", Pen = 18".
4) 3.6" bbl, EMB, Exp = .69", Pen = 15".
5) 3.6" bbl, EMB, Exp = .74", Pen = 18".
6) 4.25" bbl, EMB, Exp = .65", Pen = 18".
7) 4.25" bbl, EMB, Exp = .70"*, Pen = 18". * = shed 2 petals in the 2nd jug.
 
 After the first unrecovered shot, following bullets penetrated wet leather/denim, I have no idea what effect if any it might have on expansion/penetration. Remarkably consistent penetration despite different bbl lengths or prescence/lack of leather/denim.
Also tested for comparison (but not shown):
8) Federal .40 180gr Hydra-Shok, 4" bbl, Exp = .61", Pen = 24".
9) Speer .40 155gr Gold Dot, 4" bbl, Exp = .61", Pen = 24".

Test setup:

Recovered bullets:


ETA: Here are some other 9mm water jug tests for comparison: http://stevespages.com/page8f9mmluger.html

[agunforeachhand]

Here is the gold dot

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And the Federal Hydrashock

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[agunforeachhand]

Thanks again tomac it was alot fun.

Also sorry my picture taking skills suck 

[luvmy45]

It would appear those bullets have a very consitient expansion property. Very Nice.

Thanks for sharing.

bk

[Tomac]

Thanks again tomac it was alot fun.
Also sorry my picture taking skills suck 

Agreed, had a great time (even if I did get wet from standing too close to the jugs! )! Thx for including the pics of your test bullets, I neglected to get photos of them while at the range.
Tomac

[danmalx]

Reminded me of this site www.theboxotruth.com

[Tomac]

Okay, here's a question for those better versed than I in fluid dynamics:
For such a lightweight bullet the EMB seems to achieve notable penetration w/very good expansion. Could this unexpected penetration be due in part to the EMB's bronze post possibly enhancing post-expansion hydrodynamics instead of presenting the typical entirely flat mushroom shape of more std JHP's?
Tomac

[Nealio]

Okay, here's a question for those better versed than I in fluid dynamics:
For such a lightweight bullet the EMB seems to achieve notable penetration w/very good expansion. Could this unexpected penetration be due in part to the EMB's bronze post possibly enhancing post-expansion hydrodynamics instead of presenting the typical entirely flat mushroom shape of more std JHP's?
Tomac

When I first saw those retrieved bullets, that is what I was thinking.  The post with peeling back petals makes me think they were addressing the issue of under penetrating 9mm bullets with a more streamlined design.  The copper petals (like the Barnes X Bullets) will expand, but keep their shape so they can do soft tissue damage, while the post enhances penetration. 
The final outcome looks like a 25 Auto wadcutter stuffed into an expanded .45 ACP hollowpoint...

[agunforeachhand]

tomac, I got some 124grain gdhp's to try out now

[Tomac]

tomac, I got some 124grain gdhp's to try out now

I'll start collecting more water jugs! 
Tomac

[agunforeachhand]

I'll start collecting more water jugs! 
Tomac

lol don't work at it to hard, I am sure I will end up with quite a few.

[Nomad]

 Great information thanks for sharing and the testing Tomac

[Tomac]

I found a guy down Texas way who hunts feral hogs w/9mm. I sent him a box of EMB, he's going to let me know how it performs w/regard to penetration, expansion, effectiveness, type of tissue/bone encountered and how he subjectively rates its effectiveness compared to other 9mm loads. Stay tuned!...
Tomac

[Nealio]

Tomac, where do you get these Fiocci EMBs?

[Tomac]

Tomac, where do you get these Fiocci EMBs?

http://palmettostatearmory.com/1205.php

Tomac