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« on: August 29, 2010, 09:12:42 AM » |
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I know there are better calibers for bear and other big game then .357mag and .45acp. But out of the 2 I just mentioned which one would you prefer out in the woods and why?
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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2010, 09:49:14 AM » |
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.357 for Energy & Penetration...
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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2010, 09:54:52 AM » |
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.357 for Energy & Penetration...
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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2010, 09:59:17 AM » |
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Recoilless rifle for penetration and utter destruction. [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ] Serious note most of the people up in Fairbanks carried short barreled .44s as those pesky grizzlies laugh off most everything else.
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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2010, 10:04:16 AM » |
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That would make backpacking not fun e11 lol
I know .44mag is the way to go, but it is not an option at the moment
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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2010, 11:18:34 AM » |
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Neither, carry a shotgun! Having hunted in grizzly country since I was a kid, the gun of choice is a shotgun. It's the only gun proven to stop a bear dead in his tracks, even the F&G guys recommend it.
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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2010, 12:02:20 PM » |
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I'd take the .357. Besides the two advantages already mentioned (power and penetration), I'd also mention accuracy and flatter trajectory. Oh yeah, plus with the .357 you don't have to look in the weeds for your brass.  |
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« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2010, 12:17:28 PM » |
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Neither, carry a shotgun! Having hunted in grizzly country since I was a kid, the gun of choice is a shotgun. It's the only gun proven to stop a bear dead in his tracks, even the F&G guys recommend it.
The options are .357mag and .45acp.  Next question then. I shoot my sp101 great and my blackhawk awesome, which would your prefer and why? A 2 1/4 barrel from the sp101 or the 4 5/8 barrel from the blackhawk. Will the barrel length affect the velocity and penetration alot or hardly at all? |
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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2010, 12:18:45 PM » |
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The longer the barrel the better velocity.
Velocity = Energy & Penetration...
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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2010, 12:26:05 PM » |
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The longer the barrel the better velocity.
Velocity = Energy & Penetration...
So would you feel safe with a SA .357? |
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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2010, 01:04:00 PM » |
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Neither, carry a shotgun! Having hunted in grizzly country since I was a kid, the gun of choice is a shotgun. It's the only gun proven to stop a bear dead in his tracks, even the F&G guys recommend it.
+ 1 on a 18" barrel shotgun. Two rounds of buck shot for head shots to blind the bear, and slugs to follow up to take it down. From what I've been told about bear attacks, it's not deterent force, it's stopping power you need if they're coming at you.
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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2010, 01:35:58 PM » |
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SHOTGUN IS NOT AN OPTION PEOPLE.
I know what cal would be better then .357mag or .45acp but these are the 2 I am limited to.
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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2010, 03:14:22 PM » |
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take which ever 357 you shoot better but use a 158 or heavier bullet
but there was a guy early this year that shot and killed a griz in ak with a 45acp
more rounds into it the better
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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2010, 03:22:02 PM » |
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take which ever 357 you shoot better but use a 158 or heavier bullet
but there was a guy early this year that shot and killed a griz in ak with a 45acp
more rounds into it the better
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« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2010, 05:06:09 PM » |
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The 357 you can go as high as a 200gr bullet, 180gr by Hornady and Winchester built
a 180gr in the Supreme line.
Would go with the 4 4/8 barrel first and the short barrel because of long and
accurate shooting weight is a factor in the back country.....
Speed in reloading may reloading in some cases........Reloading for shot shells
home load in CCI shot shell with a duplex or triplex load for birds and snakes
and varmints.........
Have had a 45 never carried in the back country as it has its place never
thought as a back country round, unless the varmints are of a nature you may need to.
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« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2010, 07:52:05 PM » |
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.357 loaded heavy
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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2010, 08:04:09 PM » |
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.45 supers loaded in your ACP 185gr bullets @ 1300FPS. Best of both worlds |
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« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2010, 08:18:46 PM » |
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.45 supers loaded in your ACP 185gr bullets @ 1300FPS. Best of both worlds J Mack hook me up then |
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« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2010, 08:21:33 PM » |
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I know there are better calibers for bear and other big game then .357mag and .45acp. But out of the 2 I just mentioned which one would you prefer out in the woods and why?
Honestly it depends on what you're shootin.. For anything up to 200 lbs I'd go with the .357 Mag For Bear I'd run a 185 gr or 200 gr plated bullet in 45 ACP. I dunno if the .357 would penetrate enough. Of course you know the real answer to this is a 10mm double stack.. |
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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2010, 08:23:40 PM » |
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J Mack hook me up then Come by and I'll give you a mag full http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_Super |
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« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2010, 09:37:54 PM » |
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Take a look at 357 magnum {silhouette loads} with the 180 and 200 gr bullets
One of my son's shoots silhouette with a 357 at 225 meters iron sights laying on the ground
shooting off his calf to stabilize the pistol the pistol has a 6" barrel
Its penetration I have shot through a railroad tie, its about 8" threw
and came out the other side that as our 180gr load we hunt with and carry
in the woods......
The load is for heavy frame and you can down load to a model 19 Smith safely
We have dropped to safe standard. Mainly just hunting and you can buy a 180gr load.
Would it kill a bear shot placement ........ yes
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« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2010, 09:46:16 PM » |
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That does look pretty bad ass J Mack. Have you shot alot of this? |
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« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2010, 10:25:30 PM » |
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SHOTGUN IS NOT AN OPTION PEOPLE.
I know what cal would be better then .357mag or .45acp but these are the 2 I am limited to.
well then , you might as well just pour bbq sauce on yerself, eh? |
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« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2010, 09:36:21 AM » |
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That does look pretty bad ass J Mack. Have you shot alot of this?
I went and spent a day in Texas with Ace Hindman one of the developers of the .45 super and had him build me a pistol in 1990. I have shot this round in factory guns but you would be wise to have a heavy recoil spring and a buffer system if you where going to shoot them often, .45 supers use thicker brass but as always look for bulges from unsupported chambers and hot loads. Ace's son Garey is caring the .45 super torch now. http://www.acecustom45s.com/ |
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