Feedback wanted...

[kc62]

I'd like to get some feedback based on experience of Charles Daly 1911 and Charles Daly guns in general. I found a 1911 in good cond, seller asking $450... whaddya think?

thanks

[carharttfarmer]

i have a charles daly double stack 45 the m5 version great gun for the money i paid  500 brand new
depending on the model of single stack 450 could be high or low  is it a basic version or one with all the bells and wistles good way to judge price is to look up similar guns on gunbroker

[kc62]

thanks for the reply and insight. i'll have another look at it tomorrow and get more info

[popsgunner]

phillipino steel, soft and not consistant, shoot a little carry alot.

[carharttfarmer]

phillipino steel, soft and not consistant, shoot a little carry alot.

just like the rock island and sti's that come out of the phillpines pops?

[J Mack]

just like the rock island and sti's that come out of the phillpines pops?

Armscor builds some of the STI's not sure about the others.
The ones I've seen looked ok.
http://www.armscor.com.ph/home.htm

Looks like some of the Charles Daly's to up to 2008

Link: http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=195859

[carharttfarmer]

the spartan is the main sti made by armscor i think they still do some of the fitting on it in america though

[popsgunner]

yessir, that is correct, the Plip steel is just too soft over the long run IF you shoot hot and heavy loads all the time, the new Spartan by STI is in 9mm and with the right springs and such should last pretty well. The Spartan is also up to STI spec's while the RIA and the lot are done to base mil spec.
when I say alot of shooting I mean over a thousand rounds a month, if your not shooting a couple hundred a month these guns are golden. I am very picky from a design and materials standpoint. I have also seen and worked on first hand these guns. the holes, the tolerences, the pins, the accuracy and consistency are just not up to colt, S/armory, Kimber quality....But....not at the price either..

[carharttfarmer]

the spartan in 45 has been out for a few year lots of good reiviews of them
really tempted by th 9mm version 625 seems like a good price for them

but when you talk about the steel do you meen the internals or slide /frame?
have heard about some of the gts not being the greatest but those can be an easy fix
if its the slide frame is it really the steel or the looser tolerances letting it beat its self up ? a few extra .0001s of clearance can really let things pound toghether

[J Mack]

the spartan in 45 has been out for a few year lots of good reiviews of them
really tempted by th 9mm version 625 seems like a good price for them

but when you talk about the steel do you meen the internals or slide /frame?
have heard about some of the gts not being the greatest but those can be an easy fix
if its the slide frame is it really the steel or the looser tolerances letting it beat its self up ? a few extra .0001s of clearance can really let things pound toghether

Spartan internals are made buy STI and shipped to Amscor to be assembled and reinspected in the U.S. by STI for fit and finish.
The Spartan’s slide is made from extruded bar stock; the frame is cast as is many 1911 clones.
My last three 1911 purchases where Kimbers and I will not buy another, but I would consider a Spartan, just my 2 cents. 

[J Mack]

yessir, that is correct, the Plip steel is just too soft over the long run IF you shoot hot and heavy loads all the time, the new Spartan by STI is in 9mm and with the right springs and such should last pretty well. The Spartan is also up to STI spec's while the RIA and the lot are done to base mil spec.

Pop's

On the Spartan that you tested was the frame 28-HRC and the slide 42-HRC as mention in this article?
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[popsgunner]

Good find J Mack, glad STI is putting out the guns like that, I was talking about slide and frame only and based my experience just on the Charles Daly guns, since that was the question. 

[kc62]

thanks for all the feedback. i found a nice spirngfield 4inch 1911

[popsgunner]

well done KC

[kc62]

thanks pops... will let you know how it shoots asap. 

ps you know anyone who wants to buy a s&w 629 stainless? great gun. see 'swap meet' post

[agunforeachhand]

thanks pops... will let you know how it shoots asap. 

ps you know anyone who wants to buy a s&w 629 stainless? great gun. see 'swap meet' post

any trades on it kc?

[kc62]

gunforeachhand,

im open to possible trade plus cash, just depends. maybe an inexpensive subcompact carry gun